Alexis Sanchez

[Sumlit]

Oh wow, so impressive, let's look at the mighty teams he demolished

Manchester City 3-0 Viktoria Plzen - 1 goal 1 assist
Manchester City 1-3 Bayern Munich -
Manchester City 2-1 CSKA Moscow - 2 goals
Manchester City 5-2 CSKA Moscow - 2 goals 1 assist
Manchester City 4-2 Viktoria Plzen - 1 goal
Manchester City 1-2 Barcelona -

Best striker all time...

And Sanchez completed 90 minutes only twice in CL, the other times he played 29 minutes against Atletico, 22 minutes in the first leg, 74 minutes against City, 74 minutes against Milan 10 minutes against City at home, 16 minutes against Celtic away, 63 minutes against Celtic at home, so that's not even close to a full 9 games, as opposed to Aguero, who got subbed out at HT once and at 70 minutes another time, the rest were all full games. If we add up the minutes, we get 468 minutes for Alexis, and 475 for Aguero. So uh, yeah.

Ok, so lets look at the mighty teams Alexis has demolished..... oh wait, he hasn't even scored....

468 minutes for Alexis, 475 for Aguero, yet zero goals for one, 6 goals for the other. Not sure what was your point there.

 

[serghei]

Ok, so lets look at the mighty teams Alexis has demolished..... oh wait, he hasn't even scored....

468 minutes for Alexis, 475 for Aguero, yet zero goals for one, 6 goals for the other. Not sure what was your point there.

Dude, WTF, you are posting stats from a competition in which he played like 4-5 full games. Check the league, he has played 34 games there. Jesus!

 

[Galning]

What happened to Alexis' impressive La Liga scoring spree when the team started playing like crap the last 2 months? Yeah, no more easy goals, no more scoring spree for Alexis.

So you're saying when the team starts to suck Alexis scores less goals? Wow what a shocker how many goals did our other strikers score the last two months compared to the ones before that? You can't tell me you honestly haven't thought of that yourself... Not sure if trolling or not so smart.

 

[BBZ8800]

Ronaldo and Bale are pure examples. Barcelona used to have forwards capable of this, Villa, Eto'o, Henry. Alexis is not like these types of players.

Ronaldinho and Guily/Messi in Ronnie-Eto'o-Guily/Messi line, also

Alexis (and Pedro) are miles behind Ronnie and Guily/Messi. They played on the same positions in a very similar formation.
They dribbled better and scored more.
They were all better players.

This is why I am saying that this is the weakest Barca's attacking line since 2004. (Pedro, Alexis and Ney are guilty for that)

 

[serghei]

Two problems here. First, let's look at exactly who against he wracked up those goals...

Manchester City 3-0 Viktoria Plzen - 1 goal 1 assist
Manchester City 1-3 Bayern Munich -
Manchester City 2-1 CSKA Moscow - 2 goals
Manchester City 5-2 CSKA Moscow - 2 goals 1 assist
Manchester City 4-2 Viktoria Plzen - 1 goal
Manchester City 1-2 Barcelona -

Best striker all time...

Second, the 9 games to 6 games thing, about that:

Sanchez completed 90 minutes only twice in CL, the other times he played 29 minutes against Atletico, 22 minutes in the first leg, 74 minutes against City, 74 minutes against Milan, 10 minutes against City at home, 16 minutes against Celtic away, 63 minutes against Celtic at home, as opposed to Aguero, who got subbed out at HT once and at 70 minutes another time, the rest were all full games. If we add up the minutes, we get 468 minutes for Alexis, and 475 for Aguero. So uh, yeah.

Yea, there you go, nice work, doing some research before posting stuff. Unlike others.

 

[BBZ8800]

how many goals did our other strikers score the last two months compared to the ones before that?

What other strikers?

We don't have any strikers, that is the point.
Guardiola "ruined" the team by creating 10 workers who will work for Messi and hope for the best.
When Messi scores, we will win.
When Messi stops, we are in troubles.

In the past, we always had 3-4 players who can score.
Today we have only one player.

Pedro is not a striker, he is poor, again for Barca's standards (again, comapred to a Rijkaard's Ronnie-Eto'o/Larsson-Guily/Messi) attack.
Alexis, the same story. Compare him to Ronnie, Eto'o, Larsson, Guily, Messi.
Ney, slighty better, but the same story.

This is the worst Barca's attack since Gaspart's era. (but even they had Rivaldo and Kluivert, so they were better than current guys)

 

[Galning]

What other strikers?

We don't have any strikers, that is the point.

Semantics. Forwards then. His argument made zero sense. What you are saying now is something totally different, you're saying all of those players aren't finishers (which is another debate). He's saying Alexis scores less when the team doesn't play good... I mean...

 

[Sumlit]

Dude, WTF, you are posting stats from a competition in which he played like 4-5 full games. Check the league, he has played 34 games there. Jesus!

Ah lets dismiss the most important competition for the club because it doesn't suit our argument. Nevermind this isn't a one season thing. Oh no. Alexis 3 seasons with Barcelona in UCL, 24 appearances, just 3 goals. But lets dismiss that for now.

Alexis last 10 La Liga games, spanning the last 2 pivotal months of the season, scored? Just 2 goals. 10 games, 2 goals.

 

[Trickykid]

Ronaldinho and Guily/Messi in Ronnie-Eto'o-Guily/Messi line, also

Alexis (and Pedro) are miles behind Ronnie and Guily/Messi. They played on the same positions in a very similar formation.
They dribbled better and scored more.
They were all better players.

This is why I am saying that this is the weakest Barca's attacking line since 2004. (Pedro, Alexis and Ney are guilty for that)

Guily?!
Alexis (and Pedro, most of the time) is pretty much twice the player that Ludo ever was. Oh, and you're throwing tantrums over Alexis' alleged terrible scoring stats? Go have a look at Guily's and acknowledge the fact that you haven't got one. Single. Clue.

 

[Semi-Neutral]

Ok, so lets look at the mighty teams Alexis has demolished..... oh wait, he hasn't even scored....

468 minutes for Alexis, 475 for Aguero, yet zero goals for one, 6 goals for the other. Not sure what was your point there.

The teams Alexis played against were a lot better than the teams Aguero played, not to mention he was isolated on the wing instead of being the main man like Aguero, not to mention it's a pretty small sample size, not to mention he played well in quite a few of those games even if he didn't score.

True.

I posted on Barca's transfers topic, but it needs to be here:

-- 9 out of 21 Goals were simple tap-ins

Saying how he scored 21 Goals is very misleading, in terms of judging his quality.

Again, in the past, we always had 3-4-5 Fcs who could score lots of Goals.
Currently only Messi can score Goals.

Ney, Pedro and Alexis all struggle and they need around 10 shots to score a Goal (when you exclude tap-ins from the maths).

Alexis is just not good enough for Barca.
He is not a Fc, he is not a winger.
He is not lethal infront of goal (when we exclude tap-ins, again)

Every striker in the world scores tap-ins, you can't just discredit those.

For example, Cristiano Ronaldo's 31 La Liga goals

7 of those were tap-ins, + penalties which I was too lazy to count. Those are still counted, no?

 

[Sumlit]

Semantics. Forwards then. His argument made zero sense. What you are saying now is something totally different, you're saying all of those players aren't finishers (which is another debate). He's saying Alexis scores less when the team doesn't play good... I mean...

The point was to illustrate Alexis' goal tally for La Liga is deceiving. Large portions of his goals were simple goals, culmination of team plays, not great individual effort. There is merit in scoring these goals, I won't take it away, but people want to throw Alexis La Liga goal tally as the ultimate argument ender like "Look, he scored 19 goals in La Liga, he is a monster scorer" when in reality those numbers are deceiving.

When the team could no longer provide him with easy scoring opportunities, his scoring output plummeted severely. The team needs players capable of converting team scoring, but also creating scoring for himself when the team is unable.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

I should be in the stadium more often when he plays. I was there in Leverkusen when he scored two.

 

[Sumlit]

The teams Alexis played against were a lot better than the teams Aguero played, not to mention he was isolated on the wing instead of being the main man like Aguero, not to mention it's a pretty small sample size, not to mention he played well in quite a few of those games even if he didn't score.

Is not a small sample size when Alexis has struggled in the UCL for 3 seasons now. He has 24 appearances in the UCL with just 3 goals to his name.

 

[serghei]

@semi-neutral, +1 again.

And to the guy saying this Barcelona is the weakest in attack since Gaspart.

2013-14 Barcelona: 100 goals.
2007-08 Barcelona: 76 goals.
2009-10 Barcelona: 98 goals.
2010-11 Barcelona: 95 goals.

THE ATTACK WAS FINE.

 

[BBZ8800]

Guily?!
Alexis (and Pedro, most of the time) is pretty much twice the player that Ludo ever was. Oh, and you're throwing tantrums over Alexis' alleged terrible scoring stats? Go have a look at Guily's and acknowledge the fact that you haven't got one. Single. Clue.

Yes. I know that Guily wasn't rated as too good player by most people.
For me, no matter how average Guily was, Alexis isn't better.

Guily trashed Real Madrid with Monaco in CL semifinals and his singe Goal against Milan on San Siro helped us to win CL that Season.

Now, you can write a nice story how Alexis' goals have helped us win CL's.
Oh wait, since he came we haven't won any and we won't until Fab, him and similar guys will be here.

What a surprise..