André Gomes

[KingLeo10]

How incredible is it that our own La Masia players have to "Prove" they're worthy of being in our squad (Presumably from going on loan, since playing well for the B team apparently isn't enough) even if adding them wouldn't cost us a thing, but a mediocre level of hype and a large transfer fee is good enough for anyone to be a near starter no matter how shit they perform every week? Imagine if, for a moment, Samper came back and actually played well? Would everyone shit themselves because he wasn't starting for Granada? Even if he plays poorly he can't possibly be much worse than what we've already got, except unlike Denis, Gomes, Arda, etc. who have all been various levels of awful he wouldn't have costed a dime.

You are also ignoring that we went through a golden age that made promotions from La Masia much less necessary. We could easily afford not to promote players before when we had the best midfield, attack, etc. but now we're lacking big time in those areas. I'd easily replace Gomes with Alena and/or Samper. Hell I'd even give Kaptoum a chance. There's no reason why Gomes should stay, none at all.

at this point, you're simply the anti-lucho. he would avoid giving minutes to a la masia youngster at all costs while you'd have us only playing la masia at all costs.

 

[Messi983]

Why are you even discussing a loan? Do you guys know who his agent is? There is no way Mendes would let Gomes go on loan. Either he stays here for another season and prove his worth to the team next year which I think will happen or we'll sell him for 25-30M. He's still young and even if he doesn't fit here there is no doubt in my mind that he can be a very good player in other big clubs.

Another question. I wonder how many people would call out our stupid board for NOT BUYING Gomes last summer for "only 35M" if he'd go to Madrid or Juve and play good/great for them (which could happen for all we know) and we'd still have problems in our midfield because of Lucho's "no-midfield tactics" which made even our proven midfielders like Busi, Iniesta and Rakitić uncomfortable and not playing on their expected level for most of the season.

 

[God Serena]

That golden era idea is false when you look at the way Pep approached la masia when he didnt think any of the defenders were ready.

I mean the first team was in a golden generation. Pique, Puyol, Mascherano, Abidal, etc. made it to where we really didn't need to call up any defenders, although Pep did still call random kids up from time to time in easier matches. Bartra got a few good minutes in early copa rounds, iirc.

Defenders that were playing at a higher level than some of the players people want given a chance today.

Just a sign that times are changing really. Our quality has unfortunately gone down and so too must our standards.

Samper didnt look ready for step up at all and although Gomes not been good enough it doesnt change that.

I disagree that Samper didn't look ready. He could have easily filled the role of a Denis or a Gomes. He was probably not going to walk into an automatic role as a backup but he'd have been better off growing into the team slowly than wasting a season at Granada. It's not like we as a club are averse to having squad players who aren't getting as many minutes as they'd prefer.

The two players Lucho did try to promote that were average in Munir and Sandro folk by and large just moaned about them and the state of the squad anyway.

Munir was more or less promoted directly from Juvenil A and Sandro imo was never going to be ready for promotion. It's pretty understandable that they'd come out average at first but I think both of them are doing okay at this point, a few years later.

1-Gomes was signed because he had proved himself somewhere else,in a bigger club than Granada, proved himself enough to have Barca,Juve & RM going after him
2-Gomes right now is a player who is under contract at Barca. Samper is a player under contract at Barca. What was paid for Gomes has been already paid, I want this team to win and play great football. I don't care about the whole La Masia fetish people have. If we La Masia get us gr8 players like Iniesta and Messi it is great,if we sign young professional player (16 or more) like Puyol,Munir and Busquets it is as great. But I won't root for a player over another just because he is from La Masia

Gomes hadn't proven anything prior to coming here. He was never great for neither Valencia nor Portugal. He was pursued and signed based more on potential than anything else and even after his terrible displays started and continued on and on that potential was the main thing his defenders argued in favor of until even that fizzled out. How can you say you want the team to win and play great football but Gomes is the complete antithesis of that and has proven so this entire season. Him starting big games for us as he has been can't possibly help us win more than letting Samper be a backup and ease into the team.

We still have one of the top team in the world, we tried to promote players at every single era,it was a matter of player quality that made the difference.
Let me rephrase it, Samper hasn't proved he is worth changing plans for, when we sell Van Bommel to make chance for Iniesta, it was because Iniesta earned it, when we sold Yaya to make roomfor Busquets,it was because Busquets has earned it. Samper hasn't earned the right to kick any player for him. niether his performance with Barca B nor his performance with Granada say that,if he came and proved he deserves a place then it will be made for him. Right now to just loan a player like Gomes to make room for Samper shouldn't be the case.

Gomes isn't Van Bommel or Yaya Toure, he's Chygrynski in midfield form. We wouldn't be booting a class player from his perch to make way for a top young talent, we'd be getting rid of a player who is very much a cancer to the team to give younger blood a chance to cultivate. I also don't know why you're arguing against a loan, I'd much rather see Gomes be sold, even if for a loss, which is what I'm fully expecting. I'm just of the mindset that if a loan is really the only thing the club can do (Highly doubt it), that him leaving would be better than him staying.

Chygrynskiy was sold for 15M, he was worse than Gomes, less hyped than him, was actually more costly for a player of his position at that era. He is the only player that is comparable to Gomes from all the examples of Barca flops. Barto himself said we are going young to be able to get refund from our players. We weren't able t do that when we are trying to offload players at their late 20's. Gomes is 23. And again,what is gonna happen isn't our discussion,it is what should happen.

Okay? Not sure what your point even is here or what it has to do with the Gomes/Samper debate.

at this point, you're simply the anti-lucho. he would avoid giving minutes to a la masia youngster at all costs while you'd have us only playing la masia at all costs.

And you're someone who doesn't know a damn thing about me or my posting habits to make such nonsensical statements. I advocate for the use of La Masia in exactly three positions. RB, CM (backup), and forward (backup). Positions that are all hurting us quite badly this season. Positions that could have been filled, entirely for free, instead of spending nearly 70m on backups who did just as bad a job or worse than said free players.

Why are you even discussing a loan? Do you guys know who his agent is? There is no way Mendes would let Gomes go on loan. Either he stays here for another season and prove his worth to the team next year which I think will happen or we'll sell him for 25-30M. He's still young and even if he doesn't fit here there is no doubt in my mind that he can be a very good player in other big clubs.

I'd much prefer he gets sold, I'm not sure I was ever arguing in favor of a loan, I just want Gomes gone at all costs.

Another question. I wonder how many people would call out our stupid board for NOT BUYING Gomes last summer for "only 35M" if he'd go to Madrid or Juve and play good/great for them (which could happen for all we know) and we'd still have problems in our midfield because of Lucho's "no-midfield tactics" which made even our proven midfielders like Busi, Iniesta and Rakitić uncomfortable and not playing on their expected level for most of the season.

What if Adama ended up going to PSG instead of the EPL and became top goal scorer and lead PSG to their first ever CL victory (Which could happen for all we know)? Everyone would be all over Lucho for not even giving him a chance!

I get the false equivalency you're trying to make with Kroos but just like Adama obviously isn't in the same category as Gomes, Gomes obviously isn't in the same class as someone like Kroos.

 

[JamDav1982]

There was plenty of times a CB was needed by Pep and rather than go to B team players playing at a higher level than B team players now he opted for Adriano, Busi, Toure at CB before splashing big on a flop then converting Masch.

There was no great depth at CB during Peps time and it was always an issue which he didnt call up B team players to solve.

In a lot of ways it is easier to give young players minutes in positions that are stable and well covered by first team quality more so than areas where the first team are weak and turning to B team players to solve issue is a risk.

 

[Windhook]

Gomes hadn't proven anything prior to coming here. He was never great for neither Valencia nor Portugal. He was pursued and signed based more on potential than anything else and even after his terrible displays started and continued on and on that potential was the main thing his defenders argued in favor of until even that fizzled out. How can you say you want the team to win and play great football but Gomes is the complete antithesis of that and has proven so this entire season. Him starting big games for us as he has been can't possibly help us win more than letting Samper be a backup and ease into the team.

That got me thinking, Gomes is probably the first player that costs more than 25 million, the first major transfer that I haven't had any impression before joining Barca. Last season I watched about 7-8 games of Valencia and Andre Gomes was nowhere to be seen. It was all about Santi Mina, Paco Alcacer and Dani Parejo. I'm amazed by the fact Barca's management got into contact with Jorge Mendes in the first place. That man and his company (GestiFute) has been dealing exclusively with Real Madrid in the last 10 years.

 

[JamDav1982]

That got me thinking, Gomes is probably the first player that costs more than 25 million, the first major transfer that I haven't had any impression before joining Barca. Last season I watched about 7-8 games of Valencia and Andre Gomes was nowhere to be seen. It was all about Santi Mina, Paco Alcacer and Dani Parejo. I'm amazed by the fact Barca's management got into contact with Jorge Mendes in the first place. That man and his company (GestiFute) has been dealing exclusively with Real Madrid in the last 10 years.

He was much better than Parejo or Mina for Valencia last season but still never seemed to have what Barca were lacking.

 

[Neymessi]

That got me thinking, Gomes is probably the first player that costs more than 25 million, the first major transfer that I haven't had any impression before joining Barca. Last season I watched about 7-8 games of Valencia and Andre Gomes was nowhere to be seen. It was all about Santi Mina, Paco Alcacer and Dani Parejo. I'm amazed by the fact Barca's management got into contact with Jorge Mendes in the first place. That man and his company (GestiFute) has been dealing exclusively with Real Madrid in the last 10 years.

He was great for valencia last season. Just not barca level or the kind of player that would have fit us.

 

[Ripsta]

Better than Iniesta tbh. Least he moves the ball off quicker and rarely actually loses possession. Just needs to be a bit more posititive going forwards.

 

[JamDav1982]

Better than Iniesta tbh. Least he moves the ball off quicker and rarely actually loses possession. Just needs to be a bit more posititive going forwards.

Wouldnt go that far but he has looked a bit better in last couple games but could only go up.

He is a good player, probably not Barca standard but is not as bad as he has looked so far. Seems petrified whenever on the ball but that seems to be going... a bit.

 

[MIXA]

He is fortunate enough to have a physique which seems to be ideal for almost any sport, but he does not use it. He does not seem to run as fast as his long legs can take him nor does he seem to jump as high as his tall body allows. I wonder if he sees a much smaller version of himself when he looks in the mirror.

 

[Jombi]

He is fortunate enough to have a physique which seems to be ideal for almost any sport, but he does not use it. He does not seem to run as fast as his long legs can take him nor does he seem to jump as high as his tall body allows. I wonder if he sees a much smaller version of himself when he looks in the mirror.

He was like that in the terrible Valencia team as well. He's lazy. Bad in the air. Inconsistent. He doesnt score. He doesnt assist. Slow. Poor defensively. Man, this guy really is so far removed from the quality we need. Its mind blowing how people think this guy will be great for a big club and that we will recuperate the money spent on him.

 

[JamDav1982]

He was like that in Valencia as well. He's lazy. Bad in the air. Inconsistent. He doesnt score. He doesnt assist. Slow. Poor defensively. Man, this guy really is so far removed from the quality we need. Its mind blowing how people think this guy will be great for a big club and that we will recuperate the money spent on him.

No he wasnt. He was probably their best player and had a lot of the top teams after him.

Not that he ever looked like what Barca needed.

Gary Neville said he was the hardest working player and cared the most of the players under him.

 

[Jombi]

No he wasnt. He was probably their best player and had a lot of the top teams after him.

Not that he ever looked like what Barca needed.

Gary Neville said he was the hardest working player and cared the most of the players under him.

He hasnt looked like what ANY big club needs, neither last season or any season. Top teams were after him? Probably just Mendes doing his thing and his contacts in the media. He was completely mediocre any time I watched him last season and why anyone would think he was good enough for us is just mind blowing. His performance for us is exactly what we should expect based on what he showed prior. This guy will be a burden if we dont get rid this summer.

 

[JamDav1982]

He hasnt looked like what ANY big club needs, neither last season or any season. Top teams were after him? Probably just Mendes doing his thing and his contacts in the media. He was completely mediocre any time I watched him last season and why anyone would think he was good enough for us is just mind blowing.

I agree to a point but the big clubs were willing to gamble on his potential. He was great in a couple games vs Real and showed what could be there.

There is a reason he was being chased by the two biggest clubs in the world. Maybe the three biggest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewEVCpyiQXc

That is a different player to the one at Barca and he mentally hasnt been able to cope so far but he isnt the dud he has shown or even close.

 

[Windhook]

Indeed, he hasn't shown anything from his Valencia days so far. Except his debut game in August last year.