Antoine Griezmann

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
Do players have any blame in any situation going by your logic? We know the issues and limitations with Valverde we know the situation in the dressing room we know the overarching blame lies with the board, but to think that players have no blame is absurd especially when they've been empowered in this very broken system.

Edit: I'll make it even clearer you can't blame Valverde for forcing Suarez to play every insignificant game. What yiu can blame Valverde for is being a useless yes man.
 
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pepi

New member
I wonder what would you do in his place. You are at the end of your career, you won absolutely everything on club level and Valverde is pissing his pants when his speaking to you.I know how i'd behave, id eat pizza and drink cola for one. Footballers life is not easy. Anyway, everyone is to blame, but mostly the manager who cant bench badly behaving players. At least in meaningless games.
 

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
A footballers life isn't easy? Are you fucking kidding me... They're some of the most pirvledged people on earth for fucks sake. They earn in less than a year what most people won't be able to earn in their lifetimes.
Secondly a players lack of professionalism is down the them and only them so they are 100% to blame, Suarez doesn't even have the excuse of being young and immature either. The fact that he's a veteran only makes it worse.
 

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
A footballers life isn't easy? Are you fucking kidding me... They're some of the most pirvledged people on earth for fucks sake. They earn in less than a year what most people won't be able to earn in their lifetimes.
Secondly a players lack of professionalism is down the them and only them so they are 100% to blame, Suarez doesn't even have the excuse of being young and immature either. The fact that he's a veteran only makes it worse.

True in a way the most privileged but at the end they need crazy self-discipline. Most of the people can't do what they do.
 

Jadentheman

Active member
A footballers life isn't easy? Are you fucking kidding me... They're some of the most privileged people on earth for fucks sake. They earn in less than a year what most people won't be able to earn in their lifetimes.
Secondly a players lack of professionalism is down the them and only them so they are 100% to blame, Suarez doesn't even have the excuse of being young and immature either. The fact that he's a veteran only makes it worse.

It isn't easy getting to the 1st team from the youth systems if that's what he means. But once you arrive even if you're a low tier bench player you got it made and can make enough to last you and your family lifetimes after you hang up your boots.
 

serghei

Senior Member
I think his first touch and his passing selection is world class. Can be a superb Messi-activator, because Messi's weak points are Griezmann's strong points. but most importantly, both have great ball control and great football IQ.

Suarez can't be eliminated from the team from the get go, but this season we should start to see less of him.
 

YodaMaster

Member
I think his first touch and his passing selection is world class. Can be a superb Messi-activator, because Messi's weak points are Griezmann's strong points. but most importantly, both have great ball control and great football IQ.

Suarez can't be eliminated from the team from the get go, but this season we should start to see less of him.

I agree. First touch, movements and decision making is world class, probably top 5 or even top 3 forwards in the world at those things. If we had a competent manager, I believe Griezmann could have a huge contribution and take a lot of weight off Messi’s shoulders.

Unfortunately we have Valverde who’s probably gonna be like "they’re professionals, they’ll figure it out by themselves".
 

feggydinho

Senior Member
Am I the only one seeing problems with Griezmann, because from all I've seen even if he has great ball control and football IQ, he constantly occupies Messi's position and we know this wouldn't work when messi arrives. He's also not that physical as a striker (even Rafinha seems more physical than him) so he really can't play as the main cf. He hasn't played the lw in ages and from the friendlies i've seen his speed is just okay so I don't see how he could really fit when Messi and Suarez comes, he could even be worse than Coutinho since his favourite position seems to be unavailable. I hope he fits though even if I still see his signing as unnecessary.
 

clemente

New member
Am I the only one seeing problems with Griezmann, because from all I've seen even if he has great ball control and football IQ, he constantly occupies Messi's position and we know this wouldn't work when messi arrives. He's also not that physical as a striker (even Rafinha seems more physical than him) so he really can't play as the main cf. He hasn't played the lw in ages and from the friendlies i've seen his speed is just okay so I don't see how he could really fit when Messi and Suarez comes, he could even be worse than Coutinho since his favourite position seems to be unavailable. I hope he fits though even if I still see his signing as unnecessary.

He doesn't occupy the same spaces as Messi, and Messi can adapt to many things. Also he is way more physical than you think, speed isn't an issue, for example he is not weaker or slower than Paco.
 

henias

New member
I think his first touch and his passing selection is world class. Can be a superb Messi-activator, because Messi's weak points are Griezmann's strong points. but most importantly, both have great ball control and great football IQ.

Suarez can't be eliminated from the team from the get go, but this season we should start to see less of him.

Huh? People fall head over heels for his versatility and work rate, but like I said these attributes are definitely crucial but are not to be sacrificed for more important roles like a poacher or a winger.

Messi has some weak points that Griezmann has, possibly work rate and a little more heading ability, but isn't exactly complementary since both operate with a left leg and has similar playing styles.

I get Valverde's team is extremely static and laid-back, but that doesn't mean we go on a quest to find players solely for their work rate, especially in the forward roles where their attacking roles are more of a priority. Work rate and mobility would be a bonus as should many talented players. In this case, get a new manager, not players that dont fit.

For me I see loads of problems tactically with Griezmann in our team especially with Messi.

Sure, he has some great first touches, but that's hardly fascinating. He lacks a lot of dynamism to be playing as an inside forward, acceleration and unpredictability that can take on opponents by surprise, minimal dribbling ability, all he does is take a one touch pass back to midfield whenever the ball gets to him and then either drop deep to collect the ball again. That's extremely one dimensional and conservative. The difference being Messi has what it takes to split opponents in seconds behind those lines of defenders and capable of more unpredictabilty. I'll say this, he is actually slow witted in terms of how limited he is; capable of only one or two one touch passing in face of the slightest pressure in the box, almost like the "Rakitic" of forwards.

All in all, he is a somewhat budget Messi-esque hardworking player who thrives in a less possession team and makes up with work rate whilst operating as a main man. Many seriously think Simeone is stifling Griezmann, on the contrary, coming to Barca is doing that to him instead, losing the main man role, while having to deal with heavy possession with limited capabilities and tight spaces.

Am I the only one seeing problems with Griezmann, because from all I've seen even if he has great ball control and football IQ, he constantly occupies Messi's position and we know this wouldn't work when messi arrives. He's also not that physical as a striker (even Rafinha seems more physical than him) so he really can't play as the main cf. He hasn't played the lw in ages and from the friendlies i've seen his speed is just okay so I don't see how he could really fit when Messi and Suarez comes, he could even be worse than Coutinho since his favourite position seems to be unavailable. I hope he fits though even if I still see his signing as unnecessary.

You are definitely not alone here.
 

serghei

Senior Member
We can't not improve our team because some players might be playing where Messi plays. Messi plays everywhere these days anyway.

The manager has to make it work. If he can't make world class players play together it means he's not a good manager. Messi on the right, and Griezmann instead of Suarez can surely work. More than that, they can switch position often and confuse opponents.

Messi's position needs to change anyway, so maybe Griezmann coming can allow us to finally find a more cohesive and clear position for Messi too. He will now have a partner with superb technique, first touch. Suarez and Dembele have a terrible first touch.

Suarez - not good, Dembele - not good, Griezmann - not good, Coutinho - not good. I mean by the looks of things nobody is good. When that many players, very different players, all don't work, the problem is most likely somewhere else.
 
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Zidane82

Well-known member
I kept reading suggestions that La Liga may suspend Griezman for entering into discussions with us whilst he was still under contract ?!?
 

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