Antoine Griezmann

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Doubt it has anything to do with that. Madrid got rid of him in the end.

But Atletico won't sell. Shame...

Not only that, but Real Madrid are notorious for putting in clauses that make players from them impossible to sell to us.

Ozil's contract that got leaked said that Arsenal had to pay Real Madrid 50m or something if he was sold to a Spanish Club or something like that. You bet it's the same in Llorente's contract.

They would obviously waive it if he's sold to Sevilla or something, but to Barca? Never.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
Would people here take Laporte + 20-30m for Griezmann?

Assume Spurs really block City from getting Kane and they for some strange reason decide Griezmann is their alternative, and Laporte want to leave.

Of course a no-brainer, a dream scenario.
The list I saw had Griezmann earning thrice what the third best paid player did, and if the club needs to cut wages then first priority should be to get rid of this grey man who has shown very clearly that he does not fit.
Laporte would be a great defender for Barcelona.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
It isn't about Griezmann wanting to play for Atletico only, but it is the only team he will give them a pay cut and thus allow them to sign him.
That puts things into context, he is willing to make a sacrifice that will actually help Barca significantly because no one is paying him his full wage.
If the reported salaries are accurate, we are basically saving 60M in such deal (Griezmann 45M/year for 3 years, Saul is 15M per year for 5 years).

If there is a club willing to offer us a better package and willing to give him his salary (or even a pay raise) then folks could have an argument that he can't force us to go to Atletico alone, because we are simply giving him better option for himself.

And people really need to stop the whole "bench him" argument. We already have enough to our reputation and Griezmann has been a hard worker for this team and we don't have enough quality to afford benching him if he stays.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
It isn't about Griezmann wanting to play for Atletico only, but it is the only team he will give them a pay cut and thus allow them to sign him.
That puts things into context, he is willing to make a sacrifice that will actually help Barca significantly because no one is paying him his full wage.
If the reported salaries are accurate, we are basically saving 60M in such deal (Griezmann 45M/year for 3 years, Saul is 15M per year for 5 years).

If there is a club willing to offer us a better package and willing to give him his salary (or even a pay raise) then folks could have an argument that he can't force us to go to Atletico alone, because we are simply giving him better option for himself.

And people really need to stop the whole "bench him" argument. We already have enough to our reputation and Griezmann has been a hard worker for this team and we don't have enough quality to afford benching him if he stays.

His quality does not fit our way of playing.
It was a bad transfer in the first place. Being a hard worker is not enough to be a regular at Barca.

As for the rest, he is not going to earn the same salary even if he stays.
Messi renewed on much reduced wages, and Pique and co are getting their wages halved.
Everyone knows, and Griezman himself more than anyone, that he is not escaping the wage cut if he stays. My bet is that it will be on half of his current wages as well.

So he is thinking about going elsewhere, because he knows he will stop getting his hefty salary.
And he wants to frame the whole discussion around his wishes (going back to Atleti).
If you read his interviews you will see how infatuated he is with himself, and how he has planned out every step of his 'dream' career, when to leave Barca, when to 'conquer' the MLS (he had also before coming to Barca).
Now that he sees he can't be the well-paid star he thought of himself at Barca, he wants to manoeuver the whole thing so as to cater his wishes.

Lastly, about Saul:
yes the package sounds good financially, but
1) Griezman is not staying on his current contract no matter what.
hence the comparison should not be made with his current wages but with the wages he will be earning after the wage cut
2) Saul will be a bench-warmer in 0 time here, so yet again another Pjanic case.
Another unwanted player that we will be trying to get ways to get rid of come next summer
 

MTL_Barca

Well-known member
Would people here take Laporte + 20-30m for Griezmann?

Assume Spurs really block City from getting Kane and they for some strange reason decide Griezmann is their alternative, and Laporte want to leave.

I'd say any half decent reinforcement + money sounds like a good deal in the current situation.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
So... [MENTION=4451]Birdy[/MENTION]

Klopp knows best right ;)

Yes If this were true.

But it's faker than most fake news out there.

Klopp is interested in Renato Sanchez, Neuhaus, Bissouma.
If Liverpool gets a midfielder it would be a young and energetic one of the above to replace Winaldum, and not a player like Saul that does not fit
either the profile Klopp wants, nor the age he is buying, nor the wage Liverpool gives.

Let alone that reliable journos like Romano have said that Liverpool is going for a winger this summer as a priority, and not a midfielder.
If a midfielder is bought, that will happen only at the very end of the window, and only as an opportunity.
 

Porque

Senior Member
The story broke a week to a few weeks ago and was verified by football journalist Peter O'rourke who spoke to one of Saul's representatives.

I don't know how reputable he is, but seems well connected - https://twitter.com/SportsPete

The transfer offer story came from MD, so could very well be wrong.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
His quality does not fit our way of playing.

The coach himself wants him to stay because of his quality, but put the decision to Laporta.
You think Koeman should be instructed to bench a player he likes? This is the opposite of arguments you made in the past!!

It was a bad transfer in the first place. Being a hard worker is not enough to be a regular at Barca.

He is bad transfer because of his fit to Messi and the price tag, and he isn't just a hard worker.


As for the rest, he is not going to earn the same salary even if he stays.
Messi renewed on much reduced wages, and Pique and co are getting their wages halved.
Everyone knows, and Griezman himself more than anyone, that he is not escaping the wage cut if he stays. My bet is that it will be on half of his current wages as well.

We are legally bind to give him his full salary and there is literally nothing we can do if he decided he wants his money.
And we don't know if players salary is halved or not btw, we only know that Pique accepted to lower his salary and I am not sure who is the "co" you are speaking about? We know current players already rejected that with the exception of FDJ and Lenglet.
Pique is from a very wealthy family, dating a very wealthy women, already made ton shitload of money and already has very successful businesses outside of football. All while being a club legend who has ambitions with the club (either follow his grandfather footsteps and be part of future board, or use his ties to the club to the profit of his business. This are the easiest to negotiate with.
Griezmann has non of this, the claim that his salary will be significantly reduced has no basis.


So he is thinking about going elsewhere, because he knows he will stop getting his hefty salary.
And he wants to frame the whole discussion around his wishes (going back to Atleti).
If you read his interviews you will see how infatuated he is with himself, and how he has planned out every step of his 'dream' career, when to leave Barca, when to 'conquer' the MLS (he had also before coming to Barca).
Now that he sees he can't be the well-paid star he thought of himself at Barca, he wants to manoeuver the whole thing so as to cater his wishes.

What maneuvering did he do? The only rumors started from Atletico side. There are interest there, and it came in same day it is already said that him staying equals no Messi. We will have to choose between either of them.

Barca simply has zero leverage and he knows that, and he owns us nothing. You want me to leave then it is on my own terms especially if it means a financial loss that I am not legally bind to.
Happened with Suarez, happened with Rakitic, happened with Vidal. And all 3 had just 1 year left in contract.

Saul is a player who has no shortage of offers, at his worst he is a 3 years younger version of S.Roberto ?(but left footed) and at is best he was one of the most exciting midfielders to have.
 

Nucky

Senior Member
Will Griezmann be really sold this summer? Where to exactly? PSG probably not since they got Neymar,Di Maria,Mbappe,Icardi, perhaps Man City who need a striker after departure of Aguero? Doubt they'll get Harry Kane, Griezmann is much more realistic, Barca would probably be opened for a trade.. Laporte is one candidate..
 

Mateka

New member
Would people here take Laporte + 20-30m for Griezmann?

Assume Spurs really block City from getting Kane and they for some strange reason decide Griezmann is their alternative, and Laporte want to leave.

I would not take Griezmann plus 20-30 m for Laporte.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
The coach himself wants him to stay because of his quality, but put the decision to Laporta.
You think Koeman should be instructed to bench a player he likes? This is the opposite of arguments you made in the past!!



He is bad transfer because of his fit to Messi and the price tag, and he isn't just a hard worker.




We are legally bind to give him his full salary and there is literally nothing we can do if he decided he wants his money.
And we don't know if players salary is halved or not btw, we only know that Pique accepted to lower his salary and I am not sure who is the "co" you are speaking about? We know current players already rejected that with the exception of FDJ and Lenglet.
Pique is from a very wealthy family, dating a very wealthy women, already made ton shitload of money and already has very successful businesses outside of football. All while being a club legend who has ambitions with the club (either follow his grandfather footsteps and be part of future board, or use his ties to the club to the profit of his business. This are the easiest to negotiate with.
Griezmann has non of this, the claim that his salary will be significantly reduced has no basis.




What maneuvering did he do? The only rumors started from Atletico side. There are interest there, and it came in same day it is already said that him staying equals no Messi. We will have to choose between either of them.

Barca simply has zero leverage and he knows that, and he owns us nothing. You want me to leave then it is on my own terms especially if it means a financial loss that I am not legally bind to.
Happened with Suarez, happened with Rakitic, happened with Vidal. And all 3 had just 1 year left in contract.

Saul is a player who has no shortage of offers, at his worst he is a 3 years younger version of S.Roberto ?(but left footed) and at is best he was one of the most exciting midfielders to have.

1) Koeman never liked Griezzy that much. He played him given there were no other options last season simply put.
Look at his recent interview, he sidestepped the question on Griezman's future, answering that the prioriy is Messi to stay.
That is telling

Even if he ends up staying, it is already leaked everywhere that Koeman with have Messi-Depay as creators behind either Ansu or Kun.
Bench-warming will be for Griezzy-boy

PS: I am not in favor of any president instructing a coach to bench anyone.
But that's different discussion.

2) He isn't just a hard-worker, but his qualities do not fit at Barca and the football played here anyway:
i have explained it in the past. He only fits counter-attacking teams like Atleti and France that give him on the top of that full positional freedom

3)'Co' is the old core: Busi, Alba, and Roberto (if he stays)
But more players will agree to it, like FDJ and Lenglet did.
It's not only Pique, but Pique was the first to send the signal that 'we are cooperating with Laporta on this', unlike the signal sent when Barto wanted to cut wages.

Technically what you write about legal binding is correct.
But that's only one side of it, and maybe not the most important.
Clubs have power that go beyond the contract. They can 'force' players to do things.
And now, since Laporta told everybody that our wage bill is 3 or 4 times what it should be, the message is clear for everyone: "Either you reduce your wage, or good-bye"

There are many things to lose if a player plays hard-ball here, from his reputation to his playing-time to his career trajectory overall.
Only finished cases, like Umtiti, want to ride on a contract.
But even with him pay attention to how it will end. If he does not agree to a loan/sale this summer, he will get his contract terminated unilaterally (as leaked some days ago), and his only solution will be to go to FIFA and wait some years for a decision.
Meanwhile, he would not be able to join another club with court case pending, he would not be getting paid from Barca, and his career will be eventually over in the worst possible way.
Even a free-rider like Umtiti will think twice to follow down that route.

4) not exactly.
True that clubs know we are cash-ridden and want to sell.
That does not mean we are obliged to accept fodder of other teams.
Swap has to work for both clubs.

Plus,
Griezman has still a market value of 60-80m, contrary to all 3 of Suarez, Vidal, Raki, whose value combined last summer would not exceed 20-5m maybe
PSG or City can buy him. I bet both can get interested if we identify a player in their squad that we are interested in.

Remember also that none of Suarez, Vidal, Raki wanted to go.
The decision to leave was not theirs.
What happened not on Barca's terms was the transfer fee and that was not on players' terms, but on the buying club's terms

5) Think about why Simeone is Ok with letting him go.
Remember how not OK he was with Griezman leaving back then.
 

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