Arthur

[serghei]

Pjanic is not even better than Arthur now, let alone in 2 years or so. Before we get rid of this board, they will chop up whatever's left of this team and fill us with 30 year old players left and right.

 

[JamDav1982]

Pjanic is not even better than Arthur now, let alone in 2 years or so. Before we get rid of this board, they will chop up whatever's left of this team and fill us with 30 year old players left and right.

Pjanic without a doubt was better player that would add more to Barca midfield than Arthur has in past couple years. Particularly with FDJ in there but at 30 doesnt make all that much sense to swap them now.

Has no bearing on Rakitic and Vidal at all whether it is Arthur or Pjanic in squad.

 

[serghei]

Pjanic without a doubt was better player that would add more to Barca midfield than Arthur has in past couple years. Particularly with FDJ in there but at 30 doesnt make all that much sense to swap them now.

Has no bearing on Rakitic and Vidal at all whether it is Arthur or Pjanic in squad.

Yea, Pjanic was a better player. Not anymore. We need to stop bringing in players that already had their best years 2-3 seasons ago. We need to bring players that will have their best years in the near future. I don't have to tell you that Arthur is more likely to be in this position than Pjanic lol.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yea, Pjanic was a better player. Not anymore. We need to stop bringing in players that already had their best years 2-3 seasons ago. We need to bring players that will have their best years in the near future. I don't have to tell you that Arthur is more likely to be in this position than Pjanic lol.

May still be the better player who adds more balance to midfield as he can keep ball and play it forward when opportunity arises but not for a straight swap.

Bringing in likes of Rakitic is irrelevant as it doesnt impact those transfers.

 

[serghei]

May still be the better player who adds more balance to midfield as he can keep ball and play it forward when opportunity arises but not for a straight swap.

Bringing in likes of Rakitic is irrelevant as it doesnt impact those transfers.

Yea, well, I think we should look to create a new team for a longer cycle, not just a few months. You don't do that by bringing 30 year old players. We have enough of those as it is. We should look to shorten the list of old players, not extend it even more.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yea, well, I think we should look to create a new team for a longer cycle, not just a few months. You don't do that by bringing 30 year old players. We have enough of those as it is. We should look to shorten the list of old players, not extend it even more.

If Barca sell Rakitic and Vidal and bring in Pjanic for Arthur the midfield is not old.

If they were to bring him in and keep Rakitic and Vidal it would be.

Ideally if they want him should try to swap out Roberto if they are interested and have both Arthur and Pjanic.

Barca badly lack a midfielder that can pick a pass forward.

Cant see these transfers anyway and hopefully it gives Arthur the kick he needs to realise what he needs to improve on both on and off the pitch.

 

[serghei]

This Barcelona team is unable to have midfielders who can pick forward passes easily, because to pick a forward pass you need both technique from the passer, and smart movement from the forward line. We already have midfielders who can pick up a forward pass, but we also have old, lazy forwards who don't move well at all. They just stand around, hiding behind opponents and hope for the ball to miraculously arrive at their feet. Well, that's just not how the modern game works these days. Movement is absolutely quintessential to make these passes, and our movement up front sucks, with walkman Messi and papa bear Suarez.

Until you fix and rejuvenate the forward line, you won't have midfielders picking those passes. We've had this discussion before.

 

[JamDav1982]

This Barcelona team is unable to have midfielders who can pick forward passes easily, because to pick a forward pass you need both technique from the passer, and smart movement from the forward line. We already have midfielders who can pick up a forward pass, but we also have old, lazy forwards who don't move well at all.

Until you fix and rejuvenate the forward line, you won't have midfielders picking those passes. We've had this discussion before.

There are issues with the forward line not moving enough but even then there are opportunities that are turned down too often.

Likes of Busquets finds those passes although for him to be that high up if DM is ridiculous.

Busquets switches play, goes over top, and tries to open up defence with more risky passes than other so the opportunity to do it more is there.

Even passing the ball into feet of Messi/Suarez if they are static is turned down too often in favour of safer pass.

 

[serghei]

There are issues with the forward line not moving enough but even then there are opportunities that are turned down too often.

Likes of Busquets finds those passes although for him to be that high up if DM is ridiculous.

Busquets switches play, goes over top, and tries to open up defence with more risky passes than other so the opportunity to do it more is there.

Even passing the ball into feet of Messi/Suarez if they are static is turned down too often in favour of safer pass.

No, it's not. Messi and Suarez are static most of the time, and unless the teams we play against are totally crap, they will not be able to receive a pass in a good position while standing still.

Which is why you see Messi all the time dropping in midfield and asking for ball to feet. That's the only way he can get the ball with his crap movement.

 

[JamDav1982]

No, it's not. Messi and Suarez are static most of the time, and unless the teams we play against are totally crap, they will not be able to receive a pass in a good position while standing still.

Yes it is and you can see by watching game when likes of Arthur is overly safe on ball and that is not just passing ball to Messi/Suarez.

Busquets finds those passes a lot more than him so that argument falls flat even if forward line not moving enough into space there are other passes into more crowded areas that are turned down.

Wait and see the difference if Barca sign a MF that can pass ball forward or switch it early with same players around them.

 

[serghei]

Yes it is and you can see by watching game when likes of Arthur is overly safe on ball and that is not just passing ball to Messi/Suarez.

Busquets finds those passes a lot more than him so that argument falls flat even if forward line not moving enough into space there are other passes into more crowded areas that are turned down.

Wait and see the difference if Barca sign a MF that can pass ball forward with same players around them.

I took games and analyzed them while you were out from the forum, and I found out the same conclusion I'm telling you here. The amount of safety passes we do are a result of 1) poor movement from forward line, 2) protecting a very slow attack-defense transition (meaning every lost ball in a bad position is almost guaranteed a chance to score for the opponent, so we simply can't afford to take more risk or we'll concede many goals.).

What you say is only a minor addition to the importance 1) and 2) have over this topic.

 

[JamDav1982]

I took games and analyzed them while you were out from the forum, and I found out the same conclusion I'm telling you here. The amount of safety passes we do are a result of 1) poor movement from forward line, 2) protecting a very slow attack-defense transition (meaning every lost ball in a bad position is almost guaranteed a chance to score for the opponent, so we simply can't afford to take more risk or we'll concede many goals.).

What you say is only a minor addition to the importance 1) and 2) have over this topic.

The likes of Busquets finds more of the 'risky' passes than Arthur and he does not switch play early enough etc.

Can find any conclusion if go looking for it.

Arthur is the same player for Brazil and will be for Juve if he goes. Great when pressed and recycles ball in middle of park.

 

[serghei]

The likes of Busquets finds more of the 'risky' passes than Arthur and he does not switch play early enough etc.

Can find any conclusion if go looking for it.

Arthur is the same player for Brazil and will be for Juve if he goes. Great when pressed and recycles ball in middle of park.

Well, maybe we'll trade Arthur and bring in somebody else, and we can all witness that player pour through balls and assists for Messi and Suarez through midfield. And realize you're right about this. Or not.

And maybe Arthur is trade to a team with better movement, and we see him starting to up his offensive passing once that happens.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

This Barcelona team is unable to have midfielders who can pick forward passes easily, because to pick a forward pass you need both technique from the passer, and smart movement from the forward line. We already have midfielders who can pick up a forward pass, but we also have old, lazy forwards who don't move well at all. They just stand around, hiding behind opponents and hope for the ball to miraculously arrive at their feet. Well, that's just not how the modern game works these days. Movement is absolutely quintessential to make these passes, and our movement up front sucks, with walkman Messi and papa bear Suarez.

Until you fix and rejuvenate the forward line, you won't have midfielders picking those passes. We've had this discussion before.

Well said. We would need new offense to fix the midfield. Even prime Xavi wouldn't find passes to standing players.

 

[JamDav1982]

Well, maybe we'll trade Arthur and bring in somebody else, and we can all witness that player pour through balls and assists for Messi and Suarez through midfield. And realize you're right about this. Or not.

And maybe Arthur is trade to a team with better movement, and we see him starting to up his offensive passing once that happens.

Or maybe Arthur steps up, gets fitter and develops his game as he looks the exact same type of player for Brazil. Which to be fair they need that player more than Barca so fits them better.

Unlikely he drastically upgrades his range of passing etc but just being more positive when opportunity arises would be a start.