serghei
Senior Member
Rubbish. They'd take Dembele and run.
Arthur
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Rubbish. They'd take Dembele and run.
Messigician
Senior Member
No they wouldn't. His salary is beyond most clubs financial means, why pay a bum 400k a week just for him to play 2 games a season lmfao
Jadentheman
Active member
Other clubs know of his injury woes. They don't want to spend big money on a player with low reliability
Messigician
Senior Member
I don't agree with that
Vilarrubi
New member
Why not? We generally run less than other big teams and never forget Valverde’s physical preparation quotes.
serghei
Senior Member
Too bad. It's pretty much a known thing. Whether or not these injuries would had happened at clubs who take physical preparation very seriously we don't know.
He said many dumb things, but nothing beats 'I never give much importance to physical preparation'.JamDav1982
Senior Member
Too bad. It's pretty much a known thing. Whether or not these injuries would had happened at clubs who take physical preparation very seriously we don't know.
There is no way to know that. If you do know the worst prepared then give us the list of top 5 in order.. wont be able to as dont have a clue what other clubs do.
Decent chance Barca are not as intense at times due to old core but even that for some players may mean less injuries not more.
Arthur got injured under Setien as well and a lot of other injuries were knocks.
DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
Malcom recently came out and said trainings were way too short and relaxed as well. It has been reported from so many different sources within and around the club and Setien pretty much came in explicitly saying that is one thing he wanted to fix.
The distance covered stats prove it, the multitude of injuries at the start of the season due to under-preparation proved it. We were seeing so many reports of random 'days off' from training given by EV.
If Barca isn't the most physically under-conditioned team in the top tier of football I don't know who would be.
The distance covered stats prove it, the multitude of injuries at the start of the season due to under-preparation proved it. We were seeing so many reports of random 'days off' from training given by EV.
If Barca isn't the most physically under-conditioned team in the top tier of football I don't know who would be.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
The players other then the older ones have not looked unfit/leggy and they can always do extra themselves if feel need it on fitness side.
There is no way Barca train 40 mins a day as Malcolm claimed though.
DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
Malcom said it, Abidal said it, Setien said it. Might not have been 40 minutes but it is beyond clear that a major theme around the problems within Valverde's team were that he was completely lackadaisical in terms of keeping the team sharp and physically conditioned. It is up to the coach to set a theme surrounding the work culture at the club, not just on the individual players themselves.
If there is a natural tendency in the aging core of the locker room to not be as intense, then it is up to the coach to galvanize the team's workrate. If the coach himself is even more apathetic about intensity and conditioning, then that culture spreads through the entire locker room. Players are less fit, and even tactically they look less sharp in making plays. Barca used to look like they were one step ahead in every action and now it looks the exact opposite.
I don't think it's debatable at all that this was one of the biggest problems, if not the biggest in EV's tenure especially in the 19/20 season. Real Madrid literally did a 3-peat in the CL and recycled their team and re-established a "building" mentality. Barca, despite monumental European failures, continue even moreso to favor old and tired over new and dynamic. Setien is also somewhat culpable for this as his love for Busquets is unwavering.
serghei
Senior Member
That's not the point. The point is our fitness preparation is probably the worst out of all top teams, and it's such well documented that there's no point in even arguing against it.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Abidal said some players were unhappy with intensity of training and dont doubt that as squad is older he never said players were unfit and causing injury.
Malcolm said as well the injury he got was because of the increased training away from Barca.
Players can do their own work also and they dont look unfit just old as a team and play in a certain way to mask it.
It is a football cliche that new managers come in to improve fitness of squad. Happens all the time.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
You have no idea if it is the worst and the players who are not old dont look unfit/leggy other than maybe Arthur.
Dont doubt training could be more intense and they are catering to older players but individually players can do more to overcome that if they feel needed and dont look unfit for most part.
serghei
Senior Member
I believe it's the worst, because I have reasons to believe it's the worst. When watching the pace and speed other teams play with, and then watching our slow, lethargic game.
I'm sure we're not slower and more sluggish than these teams because our players are more fit than theirs. That I'm sure of. And I'm also sure no team wants to be slow and lethargic. So this means we're slow, with poor work-rate and intensity because we don't train well enough. And it's not because the air in Barcelona is worse than the air in Germany or England, but because the physical preparation is of weaker level.
Also, I never seen managers of Bayern, Liverpool, Atletico etc. say they believe physical preparation is not very important. I've seen a Barca manager saying that idiotic thing. Add all of these together, and see what the only conclusion can be.
I'm sure we're not slower and more sluggish than these teams because our players are more fit than theirs. That I'm sure of. And I'm also sure no team wants to be slow and lethargic. So this means we're slow, with poor work-rate and intensity because we don't train well enough. And it's not because the air in Barcelona is worse than the air in Germany or England, but because the physical preparation is of weaker level.
Also, I never seen managers of Bayern, Liverpool, Atletico etc. say they believe physical preparation is not very important. I've seen a Barca manager saying that idiotic thing. Add all of these together, and see what the only conclusion can be.
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