Arthur

JamDav1982

Senior Member
I believe it's the worst, because I have reasons to believe it's the worst. When watching the pace and speed other teams play with, and then watching our slow, lethargic game.

I'm sure we're not slower and more sluggish than these teams because our players are more fit than theirs. That I'm sure of. And I'm also sure no team wants to be slow and lethargic. So this means we're slow, with poor work-rate and intensity because we don't train well enough. And it's not because the air in Barcelona is worse than the air in Germany or England, but because the physical preparation is of weaker level.

Also, I never seen managers of Bayern, Liverpool, Atletico etc. say they believe physical preparation is not very important. I've seen a Barca manager saying that idiotic thing. Add all of these together, and see what the only conclusion can be.

That is due to the age of the team.

Barca dont just turn up for 40-50 minutes training and then go home.

The players all have their own individual programmes that monitor their fitness and intensity and players have input on that.

There is nothing to suggest Barca players bar the older ones are unfitter/leggy.
 

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
That is due to the age of the team.

Barca dont just turn up for 40-50 minutes training and then go home.

The players all have their own individual programmes that monitor their fitness and intensity and players have input on that.

There is nothing to suggest Barca players bar the older ones are unfitter/leggy.

We always run less than our competition
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Meaning they are unfitter. Liverpool's old players can still run. Don't fool yourself. Our players are spoiled and old. They lack mentality to do hard work. They don't have it anymore. They rely on talent alone.

Ok.
Even if we didn't train as hard...
As JamDav said, that is a classical populist story for people and fans.

Like in politics, when you get a new government, what will the say?
= we are turning the page
= we will apply new ways in finances, health care and similar
Then nothing happens and everything is the same as in the previous 4-5 years.
Then the new government is elected and you will hear:
= we won't make the same mistake as the last government
= we will learn from their mistakes and we will improve finances, health care and a quality of life
Then more or less, nothing happens and everything is the same as always.
A few laters, before a new elections, you can hear:
A current government is bad. They are making mistakes in finances and health care.
We will change it and improve.
So, basically, every single new government will always have populist excuses and phrases like:
1. we will turn the page
2. we won't make the same mistakes
3. we know what the last government was doing wrong, we will change it

I mean, a new government can't come and say: everything was perfect, the old government was awesome and we will do everything the same (or even worse than them, lol).

Now, apply the same logic from politics into football.
New candidates on elections will always say: a current president is doing this or that wrong. We won't do that. We will do things in a totally different way (and it will be better, fo course, lol).
With a new coach, you always have to give HOPE to fans and insert random excuses:
1. a team lacked intensity, a new coach will fix that.
2. we didn't train well, a new coach will fix that
3. there wasn't chemistry in a team, a new coach will fix that

I am not saying that we trained well under EV, but you need to take it with a grain of salt.
Also, when you mention older Liverpool's players who can run, remember that our team was never built around running.
So, even if Busi trained poorly under EV, he will never be a runner.
You can put Busi into Klopp's team, he will still be a slow, tired turtle.

So:
1. Liverpool has a coach who insists more on a physical training
2. but also, players whom Liverpool is buying are physical beasts who can run for days
Do you think that Liverpool would buy:
Messi, who walks for 75 minutes during a match
Busi, who is old, slow and drained
Raki, the same
Arthur, who is on a verge of a heart attack after 8 minutes
Pique, who is playing poker and investing instead of sleeping

Barca historically, was never a hard working team.
Here and there we had a season or two where players clicked well and worked hard.
But during majority of years, we rely on technique and individual talent and players are usually eaten alive by European teams who can run more.

For example:
1994: Milan:Barcelona 4:0
2000: Valencia:Barcelona 4:1
2005: Chelsea:Barcelona 4:2
Exactly the same matches as Liverpol:Barca.
We were slow, confused, scared, and outplayed in every single department. From physical to psychological factors.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Meaning they are unfitter. Liverpool's old players can still run. Don't fool yourself. Our players are spoiled and old. They lack mentality to do hard work. They don't have it anymore. They rely on talent alone.

I agree the old core are not as fit and that is down to age.

What Liverpool older players are you referring to?

I dont agree the other players as a group are unfitter than other top clubs at all. There is nothing to suggest that.

Each player is an individual and fitness focused on each as such. Players are monitored as individuals, heart rate, distance covered down to the smallest details of how laboured strides are etc. Extra work is done on that tailored to each individual outwith the training as a group which is what is often referred to. The players have input on this and access to physios/Coaches/nutrionists to aid them.

If Arthur is unfit it is down to him and not following properly what he has been told to do and if he still feels that is not enough he is in position to take up with club that he feels could do more.

There is no excuse whatsoever Arthur can have for being 'unfit'.

The training sessions on the footballing side most likely do lack intensity and the result is less sharpness on field but not unfit players.
 
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LABarcaFan

New member
I agree the old core are not as fit and that is down to age.

What Liverpool older players are you referring to?

I dont agree the other players as a group are unfitter than other top clubs at all. There is nothing to suggest that.

Each player is an individual and fitness focused on each as such. Players are monitored as individuals, heart rate, distance covered down to the smallest details of how laboured strides are etc. Extra work is done on that tailored to each individual outwith the training as a group which is what is often referred to. The players have input on this and access to physios/Coaches/nutrionists to aid them.

If Arthur is unfit it is down to him and not following properly what he has been told to do and if he still feels that is not enough he is in position to take up with club that he feels could do more.

There is no excuse whatsoever Arthur can have for being 'unfit'.

The training sessions on the footballing side most likely do lack intensity and the result is less sharpness on field but not unfit players.

Dejan Lovren - 30

Adam Lallana - 32

James Milner - 34

They are all in better shape and fitness than all our 30+ veterans. That is the difference.
 

Batistuta9

New member
Milner's fitness is freakish. He actually has the best stamina in the whole squad. Lallana and lovren have hardly even been available for klopp in the past couple of years due to the amount of injuries they get. Their fitness is average
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Dejan Lovren - 30

Adam Lallana - 32

James Milner - 34

They are all in better shape and fitness than all our 30+ veterans. That is the difference.

Lovren is younger than all of them and plays less.

Lallana barely plays.

Milner is freakishly fit and fair play to him for that. He is fitter than every player at Liverpool as well.

Those players are not playing week in week out and in case of Lovren and Lallana are younger and not fit every week either.

As I said Liverpool dont have the same old core or anything close to it.
 

Eshez

New member
One thing I notice about Arthur is he is actually deceptively explosive, which usually tends to come with limited stamina
 
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Jadentheman

Active member
Meaning they are unfitter. Liverpool's old players can still run. Don't fool yourself. Our players are spoiled and old. They lack mentality to do hard work. They don't have it anymore. They rely on talent alone.

Agreed. You are a professional player. You don't get a pass because you're older, it's usually expected you work harder. These days it seems like older players get treated like royalty rather than put on the bench or told to retire. It is crazy we put elders on a pedestal that "old man magic" is a thing.
 

Richard.H

Senior Member
Agreed. You are a professional player. You don't get a pass because you're older, it's usually expected you work harder. These days it seems like older players get treated like royalty rather than put on the bench or told to retire. It is crazy we put elders on a pedestal that "old man magic" is a thing.

I remember Sylvinho, dude was a warrior for the club. In that 2009 season, guy put in a shift for the CL Final slotting into the LB position since Abidal was suspended. Guess how old he was during the CL final? 35...
 

Batistuta9

New member
Agreed. You are a professional player. You don't get a pass because you're older, it's usually expected you work harder. These days it seems like older players get treated like royalty rather than put on the bench or told to retire. It is crazy we put elders on a pedestal that "old man magic" is a thing.

Everyone needs to use some common sense. It is understandable that an older player will have less energy than a younger player. You have to remember some of our old core (Messi, busquets and pique) have been playing at the highest level for 10+ years week in week out. It is stupid to expect them to be the same. There is so much wear and tear that comes with football. Loads of players legs are gone even before they reach around 27/28 like ronaldinho, ozil, James Rodriguez etc
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
So we need to buy younger players, not old fu@s like Pjanic and rest...

Latest rumours say we would like to exchange Arthur,Semedo and Todibo for Rugani,Pjanic and De Sciglio...That says all..
I would not be suprised if this happens.
 

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