Arthur

[serghei]

Yes but they have better youth. We have no youth.

We have good young players, but, like with Madrid, they are 2nd in line after established star veterans. These highly esteemed veteran players are hard to replace for a variety of reasons.

 

[El Gato]

Not so different as you like to believe.

Very different. Which is why you always refer to it without delving into details and every time evidence is showed you clench your teeth. Argument made without evidence is dismissed without evidence. So yes, very different.

 

[JamDav1982]

Very different. Which is why you always refer to it without delving into details and every time evidence is showed you clench your teeth. Argument made without evidence is dismissed without evidence. So yes, very different.

What do you believe is so different?

 

[El Gato]

What do you believe is so different?

Most things? Who these players he thinks are the same actually are for starters + their roles for NT as an indicator? How happy they are with a given style, how flexible they are, what reactions they have to being benched? All different. The only semi common thing is age.

 

[JamDav1982]

Most things? Who these players he thinks are the same actually are for starters + their roles for NT as an indicator? How happy they are with a given style, how flexible they are, what reactions they have to being benched? All different. The only semi common thing is age.

What players are you referring to? What ages?

 

[El Gato]

What players are you referring to? What ages?

Ones in serghei s post obviously.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ones in serghei s post obviously.

So lets say 24 and under?

 

[El Gato]

Huh? The 5 Madrid seniors he referred to. Not the youth.

 

[JamDav1982]

Huh? The 5 Madrid seniors he referred to. Not the youth.

Fuck sake thought was talking about the 'youth'.

Why do you think the seniors of Real are so different?

Both cores look old and past their best and neither will be broken up any time soon it appears.

 

[El Gato]

Variety of reasons I mentioned above. The roles they have in Madrid and NT, the attitude to rotation (also when enforced by Solari rather than Zidane), mental fortitude and influence of several of them on team stability. Almost everything's different, bar the age. So no reason to compare the two. Some would like to think the vet situations are similar when they're very different.

 

[JamDav1982]

Variety of reasons I mentioned above. The roles they have in Madrid and NT, the attitude to rotation (also when enforced by Solari rather than Zidane), mental fortitude and influence of several of them on team stability. Almost everything's different, bar the age. So no reason to compare the two. Some would like to think the vet situations are similar when they're very different.

What difference is there on roles in national teams? Not sure what that means or why it is relevant.

Who in Real team has been rotated and accepted it in comparison to Barca?

They are very similar in old cores past their best that wont be moved on any time soon.

 

[El Gato]

Their role for NT is a good indicator of their quality and genuine importance. I.e. Pique is not Ramos, Marcelo is not Alba.

Neither Marcelo nor Modric are starters, Marcelo got dropped last season already. Kroos can be dropped in many games, has been dropped this season several times and doesn't have an issue with it. Benzemas reaction to being dropped is not comparable to Suarez's. Nothing about the two groups of seniors is similar but age.

 

[JamDav1982]

Their role for NT is a good indicator of their quality and genuine importance. I.e. Pique is not Ramos, Marcelo is not Alba.

Neither Marcelo nor Modric are starters, Marcelo got dropped last season already. Kroos can be dropped in many games, has been dropped this season several times and doesn't have an issue with it. Benzemas reaction to being dropped is not comparable to Suarez's. Nothing about the two groups of seniors is similar but age.

Pique retired so that has no relevance.

Busquets still plays for Spain.

Suarez still plays for Uraguay.

What are Real older players doing for national team that is so different and based on ability?

Marcelo has been in and out of team past couple seasons and wont be happy with that.

Modric has started 14 of 22 league games he has been available for and 4 of 5 C games and that includes games coming back from injury. He is still a starter.

Kroos was pissed off to be dropped v City and pissed off to be subbed against Betis.

None of those players will be happy to be second string or rotated too often.

What Barca players have refused to be rested/subbed? What has Suarez done that Benzema did not do?

 

[El Gato]

Marcelo is clearly not a starter, whether he leaves or not is up to him. Fans know it's about time.
Modric has started as often as Fede and has been less influential. Everyone and their mother knows he's been demoted to rotations as he should have been at least a year ago. Starting less when you've started everything and you've been irreplaceable means you're not a starter.

What indication was there of Kroos being pissed off?

Suarez is erratic in his reactions indicating he doesn't think. He plays and then regrets having not rested. Benzema on the other hand plays, doesn't question anything and whenever on a bad run and somebody questions whether he should be benched, he doesn't respond by getting pissed off, instead questions himself. Therefore manager feels obliged to help him and reassure him because otherwise the pussy loses confidence entirely and is useless for a season in a time where we need goals more than anything else.
And Suarez plays for NT while Benzema for thrown out for being a twat.

Again, basically everything's different between the two bags of seniors. Their responsibilities, personalities, circumstances, in some cases playing time, often times attitude to the youth. Age is the only remotely comparable thing.

 

[JamDav1982]

Marcelo is clearly not a starter, whether he leaves or not is up to him. Fans know it's about time.
Modric has started as often as Fede and has been less influential. Everyone and their mother knows he's been demoted to rotations as he should have been at least a year ago. Starting less when you've started everything and you've been irreplaceable means you're not a starter.

What indication was there of Kroos being pissed off?

Suarez is erratic in his reactions indicating he doesn't think. He plays and then regrets having not rested. Benzema on the other hand plays, doesn't question anything and whenever on a bad run and somebody questions whether he should be benched, he doesn't respond by getting pissed off, instead questions himself. Therefore manager feels obliged to help him and reassure him because otherwise the pussy loses confidence entirely and is useless for a season.
And Suarez plays for NT while Benzema for thrown out for being a twat.

Again, basically everything's different between the two bags of seniors.

So what does the national teams show? What does Pique chosing to retire from Spain mean in comparison to Ramos?

How are Suarez, Busquets etc for the national teams in comparison to Real players?

Reports of Kroos being unhappy and looked pissed off v Betis also. It goes without saying 'top' players dont like to be dropped/subbed so not sure even why debating that. Zidane has said as much as well.

What has Suarez done to show he cant take being subbed/rested that Benzema has not? Specific examples not just a theory on how he may react.

So Suarez playing for national team and Benzema not is a positive for Barcas older players? So what older players are we comparing about relevance in national team?