Arthur
- Thread starter Jair Ventura
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serghei
Senior Member
Man, I barely watch Ligue 1. Don't know how this Camavinga plays. I would trade Semedo for Upamecano. I would try to sign Camavinga/Soumare while keeping Arthur. We need a midfielder if we count Arthur + De Jong. Otherwise, we need 2.
For me, trading Arthur now doesn't make sense.
serghei
Senior Member
There are excellent projections if we move De Jong DM, use Arthur CM, and sign a third midfielder who has what these two lack. Which is offensive contribution through shots and actions, so more direct impact, not just connecting the play from deep (similar to Vidal impact who has the best offensive numbers), and intensity, work-rate, physicality, tactical discipline in defense. In general players who good scoring numbers form deep are usually physical players with great athleticism, like Gerrard, Lampard, Nedved types. It's not easy to consistently score goals while not playing advanced. Need great engine to go up and down all game, intensity, good shooting technique and good football brain to know how to attack spaces from deep.
The player you describe as the third midfielder is IMO the exact type we need. I just can't think of anyone like that out there, let alone on the market.
El Gato
Villarato!
Loads out there like that. Kroos, Eriksen, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Saul, Ramsey, Bentancur, Sensi, Vecino, Kovacic, Mount... Not many are young, willing to move and have absolutely everything all around, but this type of player has never gone away and is in fact more common with a disappearance of true #10s in football where players who could play behind strikers are forced into a 4-3-3 with so many forwards liking to start on the wing rather than in the middle.
Edited Partey out, probably not fitting the description in hindsight.
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Out of those players mentioned you can argue that Oxlade, Saul, Ramsey and maybe to some extend maybe Kovacic fit that role. But I would say that the quality is fair off.
The only one I can think off who fits the role + has the quality is KdB
serghei
Senior Member
There are many who have some of the characteristics, but few who are very good. I'd take Partey and Saul and that's about it from that list for Barcelona.
Now that I think about it, Saul might be exactly what we need. A player who is not visible very much in build-up, but who appears and scores big goals while having a great work-rate, great intensity, top notch discipline. Partey as well, albeit with fewer goal-scoring capabilities, but stronger defensive presence.
Now that I think about it, Saul might be exactly what we need. A player who is not visible very much in build-up, but who appears and scores big goals while having a great work-rate, great intensity, top notch discipline. Partey as well, albeit with fewer goal-scoring capabilities, but stronger defensive presence.
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De Bruyne fits the role and has the quality. But not possible ofc. Its a difficult role IMO and few players start their careers playing like that but are molded into it over time like De Bruyne but requires good coaching
serghei
Senior Member
And it's possible that he already had his best years at City. And he's a bit under par defensively and physically. De Bruyne would be Arthur's replacement if somehow we'd sign him by some miracle.
Saul - De Jong - De Bruyne works like a charm. So does Saul - De Jong - Arthur, noting that Arthur is not as good as De Bruyne. Arthur - De Jong - De Bruyne is a bit under defensively, and unbalanced on that part.
El Gato
Villarato!
None of these hallmark players became very good on their own anyway. Brave CMs almost always come through fostered by their manager and having a partner who does the dirty work. Kroos has developed early with Heynckes and LVG while playing next to an all-time great Schweinsteiger. Nedved was 29 when joining Juventus having played next to Simeone or Veron at Lazio and was more of LM/LAM in the mold of Hazard anyway, just not as dynamic on turns. Lampard and Gerrard always needed an Alonso or Essien to become really successful. Stevie was ass at defense without a good CM/DM, a total tunnel vision #10. So most of the guys I mentioned would be perfect provided they're young and the coach takes their talent and molds it given he already has Frenkie to hold the fort.
Yeah, Saul is great and could fit that role. Had a great eye on Tolisso from Bayern a long time but very difficult with injuries all the time.
Didn't watch Atletico that much tbh, bit worried about Saul's offensive contribution not being good enough. But the idea is what we should work after IMO.
Batistuta9
New member
I'd be made up with aouar of Fabian Ruiz. Only problem is they cost 60m and we're broke thanks to Barto and his pals. It's why they're scraping for these stupid swap deals
We have a few alarming problems to fix in the squad. These trades would fix one of those problems and that is getting a new CB. But it would also create a new problem which is that our RB position will have to be reinforced very soon.
Trading Arthur for another midfielder in a 1:1 trade doesn't make any sense, because we still need that one extra addition to the midfield.
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