Arthur

[aaron101]

Gremio don't want to sell in summer so waiting till January is our only option.

Anyway, I don't think it's that bad because Alena will get more playing time in first 6 months of the next season.

With Valverde? Goodluck with that.

 

[Felipetonelo]

Barca can pay his release clause to have him in summer, it would be good for Gremio, Arthur and Barca

 

[CatalinR10]

Barca can pay his release clause to have him in summer, it would be good for Gremio, Arthur and Barca

what's his release clause ? How much does Barca want to pay to get him ? I thought that we already agreed with everything and he can only come in January.

 

[xXKonan]

what's his release clause ? How much does Barca want to pay to get him ? I thought that we already agreed with everything and he can only come in January.

Our deal with them is 30+10 I believe.

His release clause is 50 Million euros.

 

[Givenchy]

Our deal with them is 30+10 I believe.

His release clause is 50 Million euros.

so its a 10mil difference

I rather we just pay up the 50mil and get him integrated during the summer, fuck these January deals.

 

[Nothanks]

difference between the january deal and potential summer deal is that we need to pay 50m upfront for summer
and the jan deal is a lot of variables that add up to 40m

with griezmann we are looking to give atletico 13m over buyout clause so that we can pay the fee in variables instead of upfront.

also we do this not because we are poor but to be able to buy more people this summer etc.

 

[Behrox]

buying him in Jan is stupid. A player with no European exp, playing in a different system trying to come mid season into our complicated midfield setup is more than likely to just end in disaster.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Yeah, we don't have good experience with January transfers. Although Coutinho worked out okay but even then he couldn't play in CL so technically a waste.. He did help us a lot in Copa and league, though.

I'm just afraid If Arthur comes in January he will get the Mina experience. No playing time etc and then we send him on a loan next summer. Fucking pointless. Just give these players a real chance!

So wasted year of Arthur development wise.

 

[xXKonan]

http://sportwitness.co.uk/national-team-managers-tip-made-guardiola-give-man-city-signing/

Interesting tidbit with Arthur in here.

The website has paragraph talking about the Grêmio midfielder Arthur, who’s out of the squad. And it turns out that he was recomended to Guardiola instead of Fred.

“In a conversation with the Manchester City manager, which also involved Douglas Costa (who Pep trained at Bayern) and other topics, Tite was asked about Fred, target of the English club. The answer was that he was a top-level player, but between one and another argument the manager said he considered Arthur even better. Fate made that Barcelona bought the Gremista, and that Tite, after valuing training of Fred for the national team in March, opted for him for the World Cup.”

 

[DonAndres]

I think people really need top be a bit conservative with their expectations (the good and the bad) with Arthur. Brazil has surely produced plenty of world class talents and many busts. Level you are playing is important.
We will never know before he comes here.

For me there is a lot to like, he surely protects the ball well, and surely pass a lot with accuracy and tries to do his defensive duties. There is a potential Verratti in him.
But what I don't like is that he has few defense breaking passes, In many of his game highlight videos those are usually the ones he fails to make. This will be the difference between him a starting CM like Verratti/Xavi etc, and being a smaller version of Gomes (who has 90% pass accuracy) but at the end he fails to make an impact in this team

By defense breaking you mean a final through ball past the defensive line, correct?

Frankly, that doesn't really matter much at all. He doesn't need to be quite at that Xavi level, making through balls that go past 5 or 6 guys to create a chance in the final third. We have Coutinho, Messi, and Dembele to make all the key passes in the final third we'd ever need. Plus Griezmann who makes associative play around the box possible on a regular basis unlike Suarez who totally ruins these plays.

What we need from Arthur is great ball retention (check) and, more significantly, the ability to break the lines in MIDFIELD with splitting passes. That is something Rakitic horribly fails at, especially in a 4-3-3, and why we struggle to get the ball to Messi in the CL unless he practically drops down to pick it up from Busquets.

Modric doesn't really make that many defense breaking throughballs. He creates quite a few key chances tho and has a lot of "pass before the pass" plays. Kroos on the other hand really doesn't do either of those things that regularly, most of his assists come from set pieces or a random cross here and there. And RARELY does he ever get assists in the UCL, let alone significant ones in KO stages. The thing is, that those crosses/set piece assists aren't what make him world class and he would be world class without them. Just as Arthur can be for us as long as he's able to keep the tempo and keep the ball progressing in the midfield.

 

[khaled_a_d]

By defense breaking you mean a final through ball past the defensive line, correct?

Frankly, that doesn't really matter much at all. He doesn't need to be quite at that Xavi level, making through balls that go past 5 or 6 guys to create a chance in the final third. We have Coutinho, Messi, and Dembele to make all the key passes in the final third we'd ever need. Plus Griezmann who makes associative play around the box possible on a regular basis unlike Suarez who totally ruins these plays.

What we need from Arthur is great ball retention (check) and, more significantly, the ability to break the lines in MIDFIELD with splitting passes. That is something Rakitic horribly fails at, especially in a 4-3-3, and why we struggle to get the ball to Messi in the CL unless he practically drops down to pick it up from Busquets.

Modric doesn't really make that many defense breaking throughballs. He creates quite a few key chances tho and has a lot of "pass before the pass" plays. Kroos on the other hand really doesn't do either of those things that regularly, most of his assists come from set pieces or a random cross here and there. And RARELY does he ever get assists in the UCL, let alone significant ones in KO stages. The thing is, that those crosses/set piece assists aren't what make him world class and he would be world class without them. Just as Arthur can be for us as long as he's able to keep the tempo and keep the ball progressing in the midfield.

Actually what I mean by defense breaking pass is both of what you said, a pass that open things is what I want, Iniesta pass to Digne few days ago was a defense breaking pass and it was pre-assist. To see those things that no one sees or read the game so well to make it easier to break defense is what I want. The pass could be to Messi to go 1 on 1 against the GK, or to Alba in a great position where he can make assist. both works for me. Xavi excelled in both for example, and Arthur is a player compared to him style wise (we all agree that level wise he doesn't need to be Xavi)

 

[jamrock]

Chill on the expectations of him, I don't expect much so if he is Just okay he will have been a success for me.

 

[Catta]

For 40 mil he must be great, not just okay. We don't need another Gomes. I still hope the club pulls the plug on this deal, this kind of money is better spent on some other players. So called best player in Brasileiro, and still wasn't called up for the WC. Put that money in a player like Eriksen who will actually reinforce the squad.

 

[clemente]

Relax, he is 21 years old, someone like Umtiti made his international senior debut when he was 22, I would not expect some 21 y/o without European experience to be called up for WC to probably the most stacked team.

 

[DonAK]

For 40 mil he must be great, not just okay. We don't need another Gomes. I still hope the club pulls the plug on this deal, this kind of money is better spent on some other players. So called best player in Brasileiro, and still wasn't called up for the WC. Put that money in a player like Eriksen who will actually reinforce the squad.

I recall you using the same argument for disliking MAtS too.

Anyway, he was in the WC squad, but got injured in training just before the squad was announced.