Arthur

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
I don't know why but signing him excites me the most. I have a good feeling about him. His technique is so smooth and amazing to watch. I think he will fit Barca perfectly. We should have gone for someone like him 3-4 years ago..
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
I don't know why but signing him excites me the most. I have a good feeling about him. His technique is so smooth and amazing to watch. I think he will fit Barca perfectly. We should have gone for someone like him 3-4 years ago..
Well we have been looking and trying to get Verratti for ages now but as you can see it never worked out.

These style of CMs are pretty rare to be fair, not a lot of them out there especially who are world class that the big teams haven't snapped up. While Kroos isn't exactly like Xavi,Modric etc I felt like he was a big missed opportunity on our part.

I'm just glad that we have Arthur on lock down. He's one of those players that could have been snapped up by other big teams if we had waited to long to make a move.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
He's been under proper pressing only few times, tbf.

The problem is: put Rakitić in this match with so much space and he'll look at least as good if not better. But, at the same time, prime Xavi wouldn't look much different either. So it's impossible to tell.

I'm really interested how this pans out.

Let's see how he'll carry himself under real, heavy pressure in midfield. His ball retention looks stellar, but the opponent are completely hapless in these vids. Either they come at him in slowmotion or pressure him one at a time, letting him brush them off easily.

Again, his skill set looks perfect, but I won't get myself carried away just yet.

IMO when assessing Arthur it's not so much about the quality of teams pressing him. You can see even in that comp that he gets challenged and pressed up on multiple times a game.

The part that's much more significant is HOW he reacts when he's pressed, or when he has to play through pressure. He shows great awareness about where the defending bodies are on the pitch at all times, and knows how to evade them and move the ball where it needs to be without fear of the players closing down.

He also consistently splits defenders with passes EXACTLY the way I would want a Xavi-esque midfielder to do. It doesn't matter so much if he's going through 2 no names from Brazil or Modric-Kroos, the space between them is still there and playing a crisp pass like that between them won't get intercepted 9/10 times.

It's the quality to make that pass accurately and the willingness to do it despite the defenders' presence that's key. On top of that, he's excelled at every level of competition in Brazil even at the highest tier. And, from what I've seen in videos/stats, he has a lot of energy and defensive tenacity too.

It's hard to outright bust when you've got the athleticism/energy and all the right instincts/skills as a player. I find similarities between how NBA scouts look at college players (who are playing at a MUCH worse level of competition compared to the NBA) and how football teams look at players in shit leagues. You want to see them succeed at a lot of the things you'd expect of them in your own team, and have a good athletic profile that can translate to more intense competition. Fit is more valued than outright quality.

I think, at worst, he'll be a serviceable player that doesn't turn out to be as visionary/excellent as we'd like him to be. In the past 7-8 years, a midfielder who proves to be a standout talent in the 'Xavi' mold has a very low rate of failure. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Oliver Torres and Samper. Both of whom had many questions early on about their physical abilities and stamina. Samper lacked way too much mobility to ever play like Xavi and he's caught in the Busi role without good defensive qualities. Oliver still to this day is an impressive/eyecatching creative player but he lacked the physical strength and stamina to truly break out.

Modric/Kroos/Thiago/Isco/Verratti/Koke/etc. have all excelled after making the move to a big club with an important role. The magnitude of success varies, and while none of these players are 'Xavi' they are all high quality and would've improved our squad by a LOT in the last 4 years.
 
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khaled_a_d

Senior Member
I think people really need top be a bit conservative with their expectations (the good and the bad) with Arthur. Brazil has surely produced plenty of world class talents and many busts. Level you are playing is important.
We will never know before he comes here.

For me there is a lot to like, he surely protects the ball well, and surely pass a lot with accuracy and tries to do his defensive duties. There is a potential Verratti in him.
But what I don't like is that he has few defense breaking passes, In many of his game highlight videos those are usually the ones he fails to make. This will be the difference between him a starting CM like Verratti/Xavi etc, and being a smaller version of Gomes (who has 90% pass accuracy) but at the end he fails to make an impact in this team
 
M

MessiCam

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I think people really need top be a bit conservative with their expectations (the good and the bad) with Arthur. Brazil has surely produced plenty of world class talents and many busts. Level you are playing is important.
We will never know before he comes here.

For me there is a lot to like, he surely protects the ball well, and surely pass a lot with accuracy and tries to do his defensive duties. There is a potential Verratti in him.
But what I don't like is that he has few defense breaking passes, In many of his game highlight videos those are usually the ones he fails to make. This will be the difference between him a starting CM like Verratti/Xavi etc, and being a smaller version of Gomes (who has 90% pass accuracy) but at the end he fails to make an impact in this team

You mean the very same problem Xavi had before he was moved a little further up the pitch? When playing as pivot it is not your primary objective to create but rather hold.
 

RIZALDINHO

Member
we should not sign him because he is not a good player, he has never played in europe and he plays in a rubbish league, he is going to turn out just like mina we can not afford that to happen since he is going to cost us 34m
 
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Joan

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we should not sign him because he is not a good player, he has never played in europe and he plays in a rubbish league, he is going to turn out just like mina we can not afford that to happen since he is going to cost us 34m

I won't even bother.
 

Jombi

New member
I still think it could be a good idea to sign someone like Aouar from Lyon as well. I am warming on De Jong from Ajax, even though the league is bad. He does have some interesting Busquets like qualities and seem like a very smart player. We cant risk everything on one player like Arthur, and Raki, Busi and Pique are aging while Xavi and Iniesta are gone. And we cant afford another crazy 300m+ spending spree. Since both Aouar and De Jong are versatile, it could be a good idea to sign them now.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Didn't get the call up for the World Cup sadly.

Sure would have been an option considering the Brazil's Midfield selection is uninspiring :lol:
 

Felipetonelo

New member
Didn't get the call up for the World Cup sadly.

Sure would have been an option considering the Brazil's Midfield selection is uninspiring :lol:

So sad man, Renato Augusto playing in China will be a starter, because Tite "trusts" him. China agents are the best in the world.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
So sad man, Renato Augusto playing in China will be a starter, because Tite "trusts" him. China agents are the best in the world.
The problem I have with Tite's Midfield selection is there's little to no variety in it.

Most of them share the same traits as mostly being physical players. Paulinho,Casemiro,Renato Augusto,Fernandinho,Fred and since when does Willian also count as a Midfielder as well? I could understand Paulinho and Casemiro being called up but Renato Augusto? come on breh there's better options out there.
 

Felipetonelo

New member
The problem I have with Tite's Midfield selection is there's little to no variety in it.

Most of them share the same traits as mostly being physical players. Paulinho,Casemiro,Renato Augusto,Fernandinho,Fred and since when does Willian also count as a Midfielder as well? I could understand Paulinho and Casemiro being called up but Renato Augusto? come on breh there's better options out there.

Completely true. The bench offers the same that starting midfield but worse. Arthur could add that controlling thing and can play under pressure. With this midfield only thing you have to do is press until they pass back and GK plays long balls. I can be wrong but I think Tite believes too much in Neymar and wants a midfield able to defend, recover the ball and quickly pass to Neymar and wait him to do something. I don't like that because we know what happens when Barca pass only to Messi and he's not in the mood.

If that happens in WC it will be over for Brazil. If your best player has a bad day, you'll need a midfield able to create. None of the midfield players can do that. We will see...
 

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