Arthur

KingLeo10

Senior Member
It is more likely that he will be be on a verge of being a starter and a sub player for Barca than him turning into one of the best midfielders in the world:
1. horrible forward game
2. questionable defending
3. poor pace
4. horrible stamina
5. weight problems
6. poor professionalism

Even with a perfect professionalism and a perfect stamina, he would be a 30% of Xavi.
When you add all of these other issues, you get: it is what it is :valverde2:

He's already shown a top 10-15 midfielder in the world level at times during last season and this season.

As usual, you're going over the top. What I said is realistic. He's definitely a talent but has several flaws right now. His ceiling is top 10, top 5. By the way, a starting midfielder at Barca is usually in the top 15 midfielders in the world. Not always, but usually.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
It is more likely that he will be be on a verge of being a starter and a sub player for Barca than him turning into one of the best midfielders in the world:
1. horrible forward game
2. questionable defending
3. poor pace
4. horrible stamina
5. weight problems
6. poor professionalism

Even with a perfect professionalism and a perfect stamina, he would be a 30% of Xavi.
When you add all of these other issues, you get: it is what it is :valverde2:

Well maybe we all had to big expectations from him to begin with. As things stand right now we'll definitely need to buy one more top class midfielder this summer since Arthur is far from that at the moment and all others (Raki, Busi and Vidal) are old and done. From our current midfielders for a long term plan we can rely only on De Jong and that's worrying.
 
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MTL_Barca

Well-known member
Arthur is one of the least problems imo. He's not perfect and most likely isn't the next Xavi but he's doing alright and hopefully will get back on track physically as well.

The concern is more that Barca can hardly put together a convincing 3 man midfield. I mean seriously what combination of Barca midfielders would actually satisfy most fans here? I doubt there really is one, at least not for a longer period of time.

Barca just needs another reliable top class midfielder, probably even two. Then there would be plenty of viable combinations and Arthur would still be very useful.
 

JohnN

Senior Member
He didn't look fit yet. It's the first cameo after a really long time, so there is that.
I believe Fdj should be moved to cdm with Arthur and Vidal in front.
Fdj is wasted close to the attackers and busi is too error prone for tough matches.
We will see what Setien does in the next games.
 

boixos

New member
There is nothing world-class about him besides his dribbling. Everything else is average and is not enough for him to be considered world-class.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
He's already shown a top 10-15 midfielder in the world level at times during last season and this season.

As usual, you're going over the top. What I said is realistic. He's definitely a talent but has several flaws right now. His ceiling is top 10, top 5. By the way, a starting midfielder at Barca is usually in the top 15 midfielders in the world. Not always, but usually.

I don't think that he has ever shown that level, but even if he had, that is one thing which I don't like:
1. if Neymar played like a 2nd best player from January 2015 to January 2016
And if he played like shit after that
= is he the 2nd best player in the world or BOTH an awesome guy and a shitty guy, and when you sum it all, you get his "average" level
2. if Rakitic played awesome at a World cup and shit for Barca
Is he that guy from a World cup or a guy who struggles with simple passes?
Or somewhere in between?
3. if Suarez a guy who is the best No9 in the world or a guy who can't make a simple pass and he scored like 3-4 goals in a CL in the last 4 years?
Or he is BOTH?

The same with Arthur:
Is he that guy who offered like 10 world class matches in his 2 years at Barca?
Or is he a guy who struggles with simple passes like against Valencia or Leganes?
Or a guy who was subbed a half time often under Valverde because he was totally useless against parked buses at Camp Nou at 0:0 when we needed goals?

So, Arthur is 2 years have both shown:
1. a world class level
2. and a level not good enough for even wearing Barca's shirt (bad professionalism, tons of injuries, overweight, horrible stamina, slow, some horrible matches).

So, my point: why only looking at player's best matches (and going into extremes)?
I know, I am doing the same in a negative way (looking only at bad matches and bad moments), but I am doing it to some extent due to posts like yours, to "even things out" and to bring both sides of a coin.

So, if you want to rate Arthur and his "average" performance over the two years:
1. he struggled in the early weeks when he came
2. then he had good 2-3 Months from October 2018-January 2019
3. then he got injured and started to have stamina and motivation issues and he was pretty meh till the end of the season 2018/19
4. then he was very good at Copa America
5. then he missed the first part of 2019/20 season due to being tired from Copa America
6. then he returned to Barca and played 7 good matches where he was flying over a field
7. then his level started to drop in October of 2019
8. after that scandals emerged: Neymar, smoking, scooter, snowboarding, a fight with Messi, STDs
Since then he barely played, and whenever he played (except against Atletico 0:0), he was more or less overweight, with a heavy touch and horrible in general.

So, imo, it is not fair and measure Arthur with those rare moments when he is fit, motivated and when he plays well.
His overall Barca'a career during these 18-19 Months was quite meh.
To some extent, he is similar to Dembele: he played a few good matches, then he disappears or gets injured, and then he is not available for weeks and when he returns, he is rusty for a few weeks/months (remember his groin injury from last season when he was meh in March, April and May).
And when he returns to a form, he plays well only for a few matches and disappears due to random reasons again.
 

MTL_Barca

Well-known member
Iniesta and Xavi were world class , this guy is nowhere near that level.

Well tbf they are two of the best midfielders of all time so if that is the standard it's hard to find any world class midfielders at all.

Thats why these discussions are usually pointless, everyone can make up their own definition of "world class".
 

Raki13

Active member
Well tbf they are two of the midfielders of all time so if that is the standard it's hard to find any world class midfielders at all.

Thats why these discussions are usually pointless, everyone can make up their own definition of "world class".


Unfortunately for him , that is the standard thats expected at the club. And he is nowhere near that standard.
 

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