Barça's Transfers and Rumors

[JamDav1982]

The Keirrison, Henrique, Douglas and now Gerson deals are as rotten as they get. They are all Traffic deals, a company founded by a master criminal. Do I have definite proof that it is what the former and current board did and are still doing, no, but it just stinks.

Loads of clubs have dealt with Traffic and continue to do so.

Have you any idea that amount of people that would need to be in on it for Barca to 'launder money' through a transfer like Douglas.

Of all the shit that is being thrown at Barca just now the information that they were involved in money laundering would be worth potentially tens of millions.

No one at all has come forward to even hint those deals are dodgy.

 

[JamDav1982]

We'll see what he does or doesn't have when we'll use him there.

"When has Arda ever in his career played the role that Rakitic did last season though?" -- I can use the same argument in my favour. How do you know he won't do great if you've never seen him in Rakitic's position? We both can play the same game.

Let's just note that I'm optimistic about him, while you think he'll be a clear sub then?



I doubt Lucho will use him anywere alse than in the midfield 3 (probably in Rakitic's position).

That is a ridiculous argument...'how can you know a player is not good until you seen him play there'.

I dont want Barca to guess on these things.

 

[Jombi]

Gerson shouldn't be lumped with those guys. He is a genuine talent and many top clubs are in for him.

But why has he been absolute rubbish so far when I've seen him? I've seen 4 of his only 9 games in the Brazilian league. Thats right, he has played no other games at the highest level in Brazil.

The guy is playing in attack, and he doesnt have a single goal and one assist.

Paying 16m or some other crazy figure for that guy just reeks.

 

[Hamzah]

We'll see what he does or doesn't have when we'll use him there.

"When has Arda ever in his career played the role that Rakitic did last season though?" -- I can use the same argument in my favour. How do you know he won't do great if you've never seen him in Rakitic's position? We both can play the same game.

Let's just note that I'm optimistic about him, while you think he'll be a clear sub then?

Arda is a wide player who provides vision and creativity aswell as good defensive work. He's never played there before but he *might* be able to rotate with iniesta in midfield.

He has never played rakitic's role in his life and is not the type of player to sit deep, intercept and then try and control the tempo of the team.

Why don't we go buy a random player like song and shove him out of position in a role he never played before? I'm optimistic about that.

 

[serghei]

That is a ridiculous argument...'how can you know a player is not good until you seen him play there'.

I dont want Barca to guess on these things.

That's very logical. And it's not like we'll ask Arda to play as a fullback. He is a midfielder and he will also play as a midfielder at Barca. Let's not over complicate this. Being a midfielder at Barca is no longer that difficult. The times of Xaviesta have passed.

 

[DonAK]

That's very logical. And it's not like we'll ask Arda to play as a fullback. He is a midfielder and he will also play as a midfielder at Barca. Let's not over complicate this. Being a midfielder at Barca is no longer that difficult. The times of Xaviesta have passed.

He's a forward/winger and a CAM. We don't play with a CAM. He's never played the role Iniesta or Rakitic plays.

 

[Jombi]

Loads of clubs have dealt with Traffic and continue to do so.

Have you any idea that amount of people that would need to be in on it for Barca to 'launder money' through a transfer like Douglas.

Of all the shit that is being thrown at Barca just now the information that they were involved in money laundering would be worth potentially tens of millions.

No one at all has come forward to even hint those deals are dodgy.

I'd say it is hard to make those deals any dodgier. Even before the founder of Traffic admitted to massive fraud and money laundering, the only explanation I could give for the Keirrison, Henrique and Douglas deals were money laundering.

And dont forget that Gerson is also partly owned by a former Barcelona executive. So he will also pocket alot of money in this Gerson transfer. the board is giving Barca's money to their friends.

 

[serghei]

He has never played rakitic's role in his life and is not the type of player to sit deep, intercept and then try and control the tempo of the team.

Rakitic has adapted to the position last season. He didn't start very well, was benched by Lucho in the clasico because of his poor form. Let's not reinvent history here. Rakitic took time to adapt to the role in the team. Arda could do the same. He won't play exactly like Ivan, but he can do some of the things Rakitic does. He'll do some things worse than Rakitic, some better. We'll see.

 

[Hamzah]

Arda doesn't play in central midfield. He is a creative wide player. If he did play in midfield he would take iniesta's role but surely wouldn't take rakitic role. Completely different players and skill sets.

 

[JamDav1982]

I'd say it is hard to make those deals any dodgier. Even before the founder of Traffic admitted to massive fraud and money laundering, the only explanation I could give for those deals were money laundering.

And dont forget that Gerson is also partly owned by a former Barcelona executive. So he will also pocket alot of money in this Gerson transfer. the board is giving Barca's money to their friends.

Well it is your opinion without a shred of evidence at a time that Barcelona are being scrutinized more than ever and nothing has come of it.

Be here forever if is just debating opinions. So will leave it.

 

[serghei]

He's a forward/winger and a CAM. We don't play with a CAM. He's never played the role Iniesta or Rakitic plays.

Iniesta was a winger at times, also qualified as a CAM in Pep's time. He's used now in a less advanced role, as a suport player compared to the visionary position he was invested with during Guardiola's time. Players' role change in accordance to the style of the team. If the player has the qualities, he can adapt. There are many examples of players adapting to new roles. I believe Arda Turan could do the same.

 

[serghei]

Arda doesn't play in central midfield. He is a creative wide player. If he did play in midfield he would take iniesta's role but surely wouldn't take rakitic role. Completely different players and skill sets.

So, you're saying we won't see Arda Turan in Rakitic's position if he comes? Allow me to remember this post.

 

[Hamzah]

Iniesta was a winger at times, also qualified as a CAM in Pep's time. He's used now in a less advanced role, as a suport player compared to the visionary position he was invested with during Guardiola's time. Players' role change in accordance to the style of the team. If the player has the qualities, he can adapt. There are many examples of players adapting to new roles. I believe Arda Turan could do the same.

I disagree. Iniesta is playing below his real level in the new role. You should really play players in their actual positions, except in emergencies. If you want a rakitic backup why not buy an actual specialist midfielder who can control the game?

Arda has not shown he has the skill set for rakitic's position.

Who knows lucho might play him there but I think it'd be odd if iniesta and arda played together like that. Two similar players when it's better to have two different but complementary players. I also think we'd not be getting his full potential if he played there.

 

[JamDav1982]

Iniesta was a winger at times, also qualified as a CAM in Pep's time. He's used now in a less advanced role, as a suport player compared to the visionary position he was invested with during Guardiola's time. Players' role change in accordance to the style of the team. If the player has the qualities, he can adapt. There are many examples of players adapting to new roles. I believe Arda Turan could do the same.

Iniesta has played out wide but has always been a CM first and foremost after starting even deeper.

Iniesta having the ability to play more than one position has no relation to Arda anyway.

There is not one single doubt about any player coming in that couldnt be countered with 'but x player did this in past' We are judging Arda on his own merits it is irrelevant what other players have done.

I like him anyway but have big doubts about him at CM.

 

[Zincubus]

Gerson seems to be a good talent. If they buy him it's because they think he has a future as a starter here.

Like Douglas / Kerrison etc etc ?