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Ryu Hayabusa

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So Ryu, apparently KHR backed away from the previous claim/statement that Bayern would not sign any more BVB players, saying Bayern will not stop signing BVB's players? :lol: What a joke.

I wonder, was that pledge something fabricated by Sportsbild(?) or did Bayern simply change their mind?

Yeah, I know... fuck the media for toying with us all the time. I don't think there was ever such a meeting.
 

BerkeleyBernie

Senior Member
Thiago with some great attacking after he entered:

Clever free kick to Robben
Short square pass in the 6 yard box to set up shot
Fantastic throughball assist to Muller
Another throughball flicked on by Alaba to set up another goal

Has to be said Wolfsburg played well for the early part of the game. Bas Dost impressed with good hold up play and passes. Bayern plenty vulnerable, certainly conceivable that they'll leak goals against better sides than Wolfsburg.
 

DennyCrane

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This means that his voluntary declaration is now moot and the probability of jail time has just gone up... a lot.

What the point of this confession was, will forever be the secret of Mr. H.
 
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Ryu Hayabusa

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This means that his voluntary declaration is now moot and the probability of jail time has just gone up... a lot.

What the point of this confession was, will forever be the secret of Mr. H.


Probably ill-advised by that traitorous fuck Feigen (one of his attorneys).
Openly worked against him during today's trial 2 times!! Unbelievable.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
This means that his voluntary declaration is now moot and the probability of jail time has just gone up... a lot.

What the point of this confession was, will forever be the secret of Mr. H.

Wouldn't he avoid going to jail if he could prove he voluntarily came forward about the taxes he evaded? And I heard there was going to be a secret witness who would show that Hoeness was planning on coming forward to the German authorities before he was caught? How did that go?
 

DennyCrane

Senior Member
Probably ill-advised by that traitorous fuck Feigen (one of his attorneys).
Openly worked against him during today's trial 2 times!! Unbelievable.

What the point of Feigens' interceptions was is also a mystery.

As it stands, the question will be whether the confessed evasions were 'included' in his initial voluntary declaration or if they weren't. Hard to tell as a spectator, but if they were, the prosecution wouldn't have started of with 3.5 mil € in the indictment. And why the tax fraud investigation was seemingly not able to find the other 15 mil, even after he put his declaration in will also be a question for the court.
Even worse, given that Hoeneß casually came out with this the day the trial opened, it also means that the court can't take these new numbers at face value and there will most likely be further investigations.

The only reasonable explanation of the procedure today is to portray Hoeneß as remorsefully pulling the safety brake, ready to put all the cards to table, confessing everything and try to demonstrate that the way back to tax-compliance was driven by remorse and his own free will (and not due to already pending investigations) to reach mitigation. Some of the charges might also be time-barred, as tax-evasion is no continous offence. And that's about it.

I think the approach is high-risk and might actually make things worse; then again Feigen is no rookie and his client list, like for example Zumwinkel and Fitschen, reads like a who is who of the German economy.


Wouldn't he avoid going to jail if he could prove he voluntarily came forward about the taxes he evaded? And I heard there was going to be a secret witness who would show that Hoeness was planning on coming forward to the German authorities before he was caught? How did that go?

He would avoid penalty completely if his voluntary declaration was 'voluntary' in the legal sense. This, among other things, requires though that the voluntary declaration is exhaustive. And aside from the fact that he submitted the relevant documents in piecemeal over the course of a year which already speaks against him, he basically confessed today that it wasn't exhaustive. The effect of amnesty wouldn't apply in these circumstances even if an investigation wasn't pending at that time.
Although, as I said, if he had no knowledge of investigation, it might (with a heavy emphasis on might) be considered in mitigation.

This is actually the trap of the voluntary declaration in german tax law. You need to it completely and formally correct, or the whole approach backfires and turns into a criminal procedure.
 
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xavisionary

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For the life of me I will never understand why people with enough money for ten lifetimes don't do something simple like cough up for taxes.
 

AfricanBavarian

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I like to think i have a sense of humor :p

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