Cesc Fàbregas

[Youngie]

There was nothing to suggest he would not break into the Barcelona team by 17/18. By 18 he was playing for Spain!

Playing for Spain based on his performances for Arsenal. If Cesc had stayed at Barça he sure as heck wouldn't have started playing for Spain at 18.

I don't think you quite grasp the amount of competition there was back in 03/04 and then 04/05 for places in the Barça midfield.

Xavi and Puyol were close to leaving Barça also. And now Valdes is leaving...

 

[Stric]

Fabregas is still competing with Xavi and Iniesta for a regular spot. Enough said. How anyone can fail to apply the same idea to 2003 or whenever is beyond me.

 

[JamDav1982]

Fabregas is still competing with Xavi and Iniesta for a regular spot. Enough said. How anyone can fail to apply the same idea to 2003 or whenever is beyond me.

At the time he was leaving for a team that had two world cup winners as their center midfield pairing.

Why did Xavi not leave for AC Milan for huge money compared to what he was on when Guardiola was in his way? Why did Iniesta not leave when he had Guardiola and Xavi in his way?

Fabregas left for a more successful team and for more money. He had Iniesta and Xavi plus more in his way for Spain but made his debut at 18.

Plenty of players have been in Fabregas position and their desire to make it at Barcelona above all else made them stay. That is the difference.

 

[Kerrybai]

At the time he was leaving for a team that had two world cup winners as their center midfield pairing.

Why did Xavi not leave for AC Milan for huge money compared to what he was on when Guardiola was in his way? Why did Iniesta not leave when he had Guardiola and Xavi in his way?

Fabregas left for a more successful team and for more money. He had Iniesta and Xavi plus more in his way for Spain but made his debut at 18.

Plenty of players have been in Fabregas position and their desire to make it at Barcelona above all else made them stay. That is the difference.

^ Read what Falvia said about Xavi.

 

[JamDav1982]

^ Read what Falvia said about Xavi.

Xavi had the option to leave, considered it and didnt go. I have read plenty about it.

 

[Flavia]

Xavi had the option to leave, considered it and didnt go. I have read plenty about it.

It was his mother that did the convincing. Galliani joked recently about that(last week, I think), said he should have talked to her, instead of to his father.

“We had basically signed Xavi,” Vice-President Galliani told Sky Sport Italia.

“However, the operation was not completed for family reasons – his mother got in the middle of it.”

 

[Doobs]

Xavi's mom

Mom's in general

 

[Besiktas]

Maybe but my point still stands: if he had stayed he wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the first team.

Then why are Thiago, Samper, Deulofeu, Dongou, Montoya are waiting their chances at the club. There is a difference between Toral and Samper. There is a difference between Thiago and Cesc. One had chosen to find his destiny in another club. The other is waiting patiently and learning from the masters. So I will never love Fabregas or Toral or Bellerin like Thiago, Samper, Montoya. Barca needs players who dreams for playing in that shirt. Barca needs players who will die for that shirt. Barca needs players who makes the team success first priority against their personal careers and stats. When you look at Puyol, Xavi, İniesta you will see this facts.

Was İniesta a regular player when he was young. NO. But he wanted to stay here. He learned from others. He worked and become the best midfielder of the world. That's all.

 

[DonAndres]

Then why are Thiago, Samper, Deulofeu, Dongou, Montoya are waiting their chances at the club. There is a difference between Toral and Samper. There is a difference between Thiago and Cesc. One had chosen to find his destiny in another club. The other is waiting patiently and learning from the masters. So I will never love Fabregas or Toral or Bellerin like Thiago, Samper, Montoya. Barca needs players who dreams for playing in that shirt. Barca needs players who will die for that shirt. Barca needs players who makes the team success first priority against their personal careers and stats. When you look at Puyol, Xavi, İniesta you will see this facts.

Was İniesta a regular player when he was young. NO. But he wanted to stay here. He learned from others. He worked and become the best midfielder of the world. That's all.

Oh grow up, the main priority of a footballer is to play football. Cesc was trying to get first team football more quickly and with more certainty so he moved to Arsenal. All the players love the club, but they wouldn't stay if they are talented yet not getting as many chances to play as they deserve. Why do you think Villa has been somewhat unsettled up until now? Samper and Dongou are far too young and undeveloped to play first team football. Thiago, Montoya, and Deulofeu are pretty much guaranteed to be the future of the club and they know it so there is no need for them to move.

It's one thing to love your club, it's another thing to completely give up your chances of playing football just because you "would do anything for the shirt". You're seriously living in some fairy tale land if you believe that's the mentality of every player. Cesc wanted to prove himself and he did that at Arsenal. Now he's helping the club more than he ever could have if he never got the chance to prove himself and develop into a great player. I understand where you're coming from for the fact that players should love the club. However there is no logic behind trying to point Cesc out as some sort of glory-hunting traitor who doesn't love the club. He does love the club, he always did. However he didn't want to sit back and not contribute at all. He probably isn't as patient as the others were, but he's just as dedicated.

 

[loozy]

Nice words, @ DonAndres, that I cannot help but agree with.

I remember an interview that he did years ago where he mentioned that his goal was to return to Barca at some point, so it was nothing that he decided when Barca became the grand team they are now. He always wanted to develop as a player and then return to his boyhood club.

 

[Besiktas]

Oh grow up, the main priority of a footballer is to play football. Cesc was trying to get first team football more quickly and with more certainty so he moved to Arsenal. All the players love the club, but they wouldn't stay if they are talented yet not getting as many chances to play as they deserve. Why do you think Villa has been somewhat unsettled up until now? Samper and Dongou are far too young and undeveloped to play first team football. Thiago, Montoya, and Deulofeu are pretty much guaranteed to be the future of the club and they know it so there is no need for them to move.

It's one thing to love your club, it's another thing to completely give up your chances of playing football just because you "would do anything for the shirt". You're seriously living in some fairy tale land if you believe that's the mentality of every player. Cesc wanted to prove himself and he did that at Arsenal. Now he's helping the club more than he ever could have if he never got the chance to prove himself and develop into a great player. I understand where you're coming from for the fact that players should love the club. However there is no logic behind trying to point Cesc out as some sort of glory-hunting traitor who doesn't love the club. He does love the club, he always did. However he didn't want to sit back and not contribute at all. He probably isn't as patient as the others were, but he's just as dedicated.

You say Samper and Dongou are far too young. However, Fabregas was also only 16 when he signed with Arsenal. Toral, Bellerin and Fabregas were not patient enough to wait for a chance. However Samper is waiting for it. You say Thiago, Montoya and Deulofeu are pretty much guaranteed to be the future of the club. For Thiago and Montoya, this is true. But do not forget that it took years for them to take this guarantee. They could leaved two or three years ago. It was the easy decision. But, they chosen to work hard, learn from the masters and wait patiently until the chance comes. Cesc could have wait his chance at the club too. However his personal career was always the first priority for him than his Barcelona career.

 

[loozy]

Rarely, on any forum, have I seen a user with such a clear agenda against a player

 

[FCBarca]

Fabregas is still competing with Xavi and Iniesta for a regular spot. Enough said. How anyone can fail to apply the same idea to 2003 or whenever is beyond me.

Yep, as Jay Z said, ain't nothing changed but the year on the calendar. Cesc is not Xavi or Iniesta, or Thiago for that matter. He'll help us win matches where his directness will help but he's not a technical maestro like the legendary duo

 

[jamrock]

Its funny how the cesc fans say cesc left because he wanted to play and that was not a sure thing a bar a, it leads me to think only two things
1) their cesc love has blind them to the facts
2) they don't know the facts at all

Cesc was widely thought to be one of the best talents at the club, behind pique,Vazquez and messi, he was one of the best midfield prospects in the world when bar a had one of the worst midfields in its history, these are all facts.

But somehow he left barca because he wasn't sure he would have gotten a chance at barca, but left to join arsenal when they had one of the best midfields in the world.

He left because he didn't think bar a were going anywhere simple has that, we were a mess then, so say he left to better his career, but don't say crap like he would not have gotten a chance at barca.

Thiago and Roberto stood a much worst chance of making it than he did, guess where they are now.

And this is why they boo him, he has to play out of his skin for years before he gets love, and prove he wasn't just a insure brat that left they club at its worst point.

 

[Youngie]

So the "fans" boo Cesc because he left the club as a 16 year old kid? Pure rubbish. He's got a few standing ovations and only gets "booed" by a small number of "tourists". Pretty sure he got booed recently due to his comments in the media (i.e. "every bad game I have cancels out 10 good games"). I'm not so blind though as to say all the fans love him...

He had a much better chance of being in the Arsenal first team - just Vieira and Gilberto ahead of him & he rotated. Whereas in Barça in 02/03 he had Xavi, Riquelme, Cocu and Mendieta. Cesc couldn't even make the Barça B team let alone the A team.

Thiago has it easy nowadays. He can rotate with Xavi, Iniesta & Cesc. Rest one and play Thiago. We'll see much patience guys like Roberto, Samper and others have.