Cesc Fàbregas

[Blaugrana dude]

So the "fans" boo Cesc because he left the club as a 16 year old kid? Pure rubbish. He's got a few standing ovations and only gets "booed" by a small number of "tourists". Pretty sure he got booed recently due to his comments in the media (i.e. "every bad game I have cancels out 10 good games"). I'm not so blind though as to say all the fans love him...

He had a much better chance of being in the Arsenal first team - just Vieira and Gilberto ahead of him & he rotated. Whereas in Barça in 02/03 he had Xavi, Riquelme, Cocu and Mendieta. Cesc couldn't even make the Barça B team let alone the A team.

Thiago has it easy nowadays. He can rotate with Xavi, Iniesta & Cesc. Rest one and play Thiago. We'll see much patience guys like Roberto, Samper and others have.

Are you sure they are tourists? The local crowd can get incensed if a player isn't playing well. Remember GDS and Chygrynskiy? Not saying Cesc is in a similar situation but don't dismiss anyone who is booing as a "tourist". Some of them are probably socios who have been supporting the club since they knew about football.

 

[Youngie]

Are you sure they are tourists? The local crowd can get incensed if a player isn't playing well. Remember GDS and Chygrynskiy? Not saying Cesc is in a similar situation but don't dismiss anyone who is booing as a "tourist". Some of them are probably socios who have been supporting the club since they knew about football.

I know they're not all "tourists". No doubt a part are. Even the great Johann Cruyff was booed. Football fans are fickle: players get love one minute and hate the next.

As for "The local crowd can get incensed if a player isn't playing well". Cesc wasn't & isn't playing "badly".

 

[DonAndres]

You say Samper and Dongou are far too young. However, Fabregas was also only 16 when he signed with Arsenal. Toral, Bellerin and Fabregas were not patient enough to wait for a chance. However Samper is waiting for it. You say Thiago, Montoya and Deulofeu are pretty much guaranteed to be the future of the club. For Thiago and Montoya, this is true. But do not forget that it took years for them to take this guarantee. They could leaved two or three years ago. It was the easy decision. But, they chosen to work hard, learn from the masters and wait patiently until the chance comes. Cesc could have wait his chance at the club too. However his personal career was always the first priority for him than his Barcelona career.

Your argument is unbelievably immature. It's not a goddamn sin to go to a different club to develop as a player and then return. This is real life, sometimes you have to compromise your loyalty to do what's best for you. After all his dream was to play professional football at Barcelona right? If he didn't feel that he was getting his chances to develop and that the alternative was better for him in terms of developing, then so be it. It's like you're saying that he was a traitor for not waiting as patiently as the others. You act as if he did it in complete greed and that he only cared about his personal career and not the club at all. He took a different route than many of the other youngsters to gain success and become an elite player. So what? He still ended up back here and he is still a part of the team is he not? You try to pass him off as ungrateful for his opportunity at Barcelona when in truth, he is more of a Cule than you or I will ever be.

Hell, Xavi almost moved to Milan. Is he a traitor in your eyes too? Get some actual perspective and take off your die-hard Cule goggles for a second. Priority number one for a footballer is the game, not the club. If he didn't feel like he was getting the chances he deserved to play the game that he loves, then he had the right to look for that opportunity elsewhere until he would become capable of making it at Barcelona. He went to Arsenal with the full intention of one day trying to return to Barcelona. He didn't just leave without thought and then return when the grass seemed greener on this side.

 

[Robbie]

Bestikas, you're forgetting that Pique left Barca for Man United. The main reason why he returned was that Ferguson chose Evans over him, and sat him in the stands for their CL final. Why have you not mentioned him at all?

 

[estranged]

All this talk and speculation of why he left at that age is irrelevant, it was a decade a go and he's back now, and most of this is hearsay and we will never know the truth so no point basing conclusions on that.

Looking at Cesc now, he still needs to learn a lot about leadership and generally about carrying himself on the pitch before we can rely on him as much as we do with Xavi and Iniesta. I dunno, I may be talking shit but I often get a feeling that he doesn't really try hard enough and doesn't sacrifice himself for the team as much as say Busquets. He was poor in the first leg of CDR vs Madrid, but after grabbing that goal (which Messi created) his performance was a lot more relaxed and lacked intensity, maybe he thought he's done his bit by scoring that goal (He and Pedro's criminal misses cost is the cup). This is subjective, but I don't like his attitude based on what I see. I'm willing to let somebody who has a bad game (Alexis/Pedro) off the hook because they usually try so hard and their attitude is admirable. Can't say the same for Cesc. He has a lot more to learn technically as we've all discussed on numerous occasions in this thread, just look at Messi's 2nd and Villa's goals and just how quickly Iniesta and Xavi executed their passes respectively after dispossessing the opposition, Cesc usually ponders when he should execute the pass (do not confuse pondering with patience here, assuming he has pressed Milan as hard as Xaviesta to steal the ball anyway). He slows down the attack as he needs a lot more time to moe the ball than Iniesta. Having said all this, it's better to have him than not, given the number of games we play and Xavi(age) and Iniesta's injuries, and his creativity and willingness to attack makes him an asset, but in do or die situations we can't expect him to do what Xavi or Iniesta do. I'm still confident Tito will find a place for him in the squad without sacrificing our overall performance (as he already did so far this season).

Bestikas, you're forgetting that Pique left Barca for Man United. The main reason why he returned was that Ferguson chose Evans over him, and sat him in the stands for their CL final. Why have you not mentioned him at all?

Now that you mention it, their performances have been strikingly similar in the past couple of seasons, unfocused and lethargic

 

[Flavia]

The Cesc left for money blablabla apart, people seem to forget he paid from his pocket to come back. And he is working hard, he's not here on vacation.

Messi almost left the club as well. His performance on the gamper in 2005 prevented it from happening, but he almost went to espanyol, of all clubs. Now imagine THAT, huh?

I can almost imagine some would not want Messi back for being a traitor and leaving, if that had happened

 

[jamrock]

Almost

 

[Flavia]

Almost

The point is that leaving Barça could've happened to both Xavi and Messi. Circunstances changed it, not the will of the players. They were going to leave, but thankfully last minute calls changed that. That's why this cesc crusade is lame. He's back, took a pay cut for that, and he's working hard. More importantly, he is a Barça player, and should be treated with respect.

 

[LaPulga]

...almost went to espanyol...

On loan..

 

[Garrus]

Even in the midst of the most positive days, Cules always find something to rant about, Sometimes it's alexis, Sometimes it's mascherano, Sometimes it's messi, And now it's cesc's turn, The guy didn't even play a single minute and still has the most active thread.
If the moderators had enough time, They'll probably remove most of the comments in the last 10 pages for trolling.

 

[Flavia]

On loan..

That was never decided, espanyol was pushing to buy him. Txiki interviened after the gamper, and now we'll never know.

 

[estranged]

The point is that leaving Barça could've happened to both Xavi and Messi. Circunstances changed it, not the will of the players. They were going to leave, but thankfully last minute calls changed that. That's why this cesc crusade is lame. He's back, took a pay cut for that, and he's working hard. More importantly, he is a Barça player, and should be treated with respect.

Messi was never realistically leaving. Additionally (although it may only be me) Cesc's attitude doesn't always indicate that he's trying or working very hard .

 

[FCBarca]

I feel you Flavia...I wasn't a proponent of Cesc's return per se but I appreciate what he can add to the team now and as you correctly point out, he's a Barcelona player and should get fan support

Saw a documentary on his story, from youth to Arsenal and back to Barcelona...Shed some insight into what sort of player/person he is although the Barcelona departure was largely ignored...On a personal note, I didn't find him particularly endearing as a player to support tbh - seems to have a loaner personality

 

[Flavia]

Messi was never realistically leaving. Additionally (although it may only be me) Cesc's attitude doesn't always indicate that he's trying or working very hard .

If Messi hadn't played the gamper, he would have left. It could've even been just a loan, but who knows what would've happened if he did.
I was just trying to show this mentality of "the player chose to stay because he loves the club" or "if you leave the club you're a traitor" is not really accurate. Can anyone say Pep doesn't love Barça? He left before retiring to get more playing time, came back to be coach, and then left again.
Cesc payed from his pocket to be at Barça, and at least I see him working and trying. I don't know what else anyone here can ask from him.

I feel you Flavia...I wasn't a proponent of Cesc's return per se but I appreciate what he can add to the team now and as you correctly point out, he's a Barcelona player and should get fan support

Saw a documentary on his story, from youth to Arsenal and back to Barcelona...Shed some insight into what sort of player/person he is although the Barcelona departure was largely ignored...On a personal note, I didn't find him particularly endearing as a player to support tbh - seems to have a loaner personality

The Cesc saga was annoying, and I was not very keen on him coming back either. But he's here now, the club went after him, and did a lot to get him. He's not leaving anytime soon, and I really think all this hate is uncalled for.

 

[Doobs]

Not only is it uncalled for, it's also a waste of energy.