Simmelbert
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rode also out for both legs 
injured in training....
this can't be real.
injured in training....
this can't be real.
CL semis: Bayern - Barca 3-2 (3-5 agg.)
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I think that people really greatly exaggerate Neuer never seeing the ball or "being a passenger" because he likes to come out of his box a lot. He isn't any more of a "passenger" than most of the keepers in the other top teams in Europe. Neuer, Bravo, Sirigu and Buffon ≈ 1.6 saves per game. Moya ≈ 1.4. Napoli's two keepers ≈ 1.2.
In a different metric of interpreting involved-ness, he's the keeper with the 7th most passes per game in the top 5 leagues. Because he comes out of his box a lot, he gets involved in a lot of the build-up play.
He will definitely need a top performance, though, obviously. Since Barca aren't Gladbach, I'm not expecting him to make any outright glaring mistakes.
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Yeah, Neuer is a classy sweeper alright, and a great goalkeeper as well. What i ment with passenger is that Bayern could probably put a complete novice in goal and still win the league. Cups are different, a gk of Neuers class is always needed there, bundesliga? Not so much.
Stric
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We need to stop underestimating our opponents. I have a feeling many of Barca's losses in the last few years happened exactly because of this.
I don't think we can't beat them, but we shouldn't automatically assume we're in the final. We need to bring our A game, otherwise things might go bad for us really quickly.
I don't think we can't beat them, but we shouldn't automatically assume we're in the final. We need to bring our A game, otherwise things might go bad for us really quickly.
Devils
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Pretty sure if Barca would have been handed the opportunity to sign Ronaldo, Modric, Bale etc for low release clauses and free agent deals they would be like "lol no" because of morals, you know.
Lol.
Atletico has given both Barca and Real a fair a share of hell over the past two seasons. Both teams could easily trigger the release clauses of Atleti's key players. But it doesn't/didn't happen.
It doesn't matter if those barriers are out of respect or rivalry, they exist and are very beneficial for the league.
Yannik
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which release clauses do you mean?
serghei
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rode also out for both legs
injured in training....
this can't be real.
Who?
I don't think that's really true, IMO.
Neuer was injured for a while last season and in the 495 minutes without him, they conceded 1.8 goals per 90 minutes. Compared to 0.66 goals conceded with him there.
At one point, he was subbed off against Dortmund and they scored 2 goals within 10 minutes of him being subbed off.
I think with a lesser keeper, a still good one like Reina, we could still win the league ofc with but a novice keeper? Bayern would have to change their style of play fundamentally. Just the fact that it's not Neuer increases the number of shots at goal but Bayern also can't play such a high line without a keeper who is good at 1v1 situations or one that can come out for numerical/passing superiority, which is key to Pep's idea of positional play.
Devils
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For example any of Barca/Real could have triggered Costa's release clauses last season. It didn't happen even though Costa is a world class striker and both Barca and Real were in the market for strikers and Costa's release clause was pennies. Same could be said about Filipe Luis.
Also Godin who was hailed as one of the best, if not the best CB in the world las season, has a 30m release clause which is pennies for Barca. And Barca desperately needed a CB. It didn't happen either.
Also higher clauses like Koke's could be activated by Barca. It wouldn't be as cheap, but still very achievable given Barca's transfer spending.
All are/were key players for Atletico, but neither Barca or Real made moves and looked elsewhere in the market.
Yannik
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The only thing that happened was that he went to Chelsea. Noone knows wether he would have gone to Barca and Madrid instead.
Which is the source to that 30m release clause? If it was so cheap and if Godin was so eager to move, then why is barely anyone actually going for him? I mean you'd expect United to be in the race aswell there, but everyone there is only talking about paying twice as much for Hummels. So apparently there must be difficulties in signing him, hence why he is still at Atletico and not at a competing european or spanish top team.
Noone would have honestly paid 60m for Koke (if that is what his release clause is), regardless of Barca, Bayern, Madrid, PSG, City or anyone else. Hes not a 60m player, teams who are able to pay such sums are wanking on Pogba and co.
Barca got Rakitic instead, the star player of spains biggest upcoming team and reigning EL champion. Madrid meanwhile went for Kroos, a player of a huge european competitor by offering him a higher paycheck. That isnt nice either.
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Still is, such a great cb, not that dirty either, unlike many on Atletico. If not Barca or Real, im suprised no other club has made a big push for him
Not sure if serious. Teams sell to direct competitors all the time, within or outside of the Bundesliga. How many players have played for Juve, Inter and Milan? Pretty sure Real Madrid were considering Thiago before he decided to go for Bayern, no? Likewise, there have been some much-criticized transfers between Real Madrid and Barca.
Dortmund even said that they don't mind selling Gundogan to Bayern. There's competitiveness between Bayern and Dortmund but they're also not really rivals; if Bayern make a good offer, they will consider it. Likewise, Bayern would've sold Mandzukic to Dortmund, if Klopp hadn't vetoed it.
On the other hand, Leverkusen have been vehemently against selling to Bayern for a while now and interestingly enough, haven't sold to Bayenr for 10 years.
Devils
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1) Yes he went to Chelsea, but Barca and Real didn't even attempt to trigger his clause. One could easily say Real should have done it, because Costa is a far better player than Hernandez.
2) Godin was linked with United and a few other English clubs, numerous English media have reported his release clause of 30m.
3) I would argue that after last season (not this one), Koke for 60m could have been reasonable given the transfer market. A young WC midfielder who put on numerous great performances against the best of Europe and came out shining leading his team to La Liga and the CL final. He was just as important as Pogba and pretty much just as good.
4) Barca got Racki, but we're talking about league rivals. Sevilla was never our rival to start with. And Bayern are definitely not Real's.
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