So lost, watch some of the comments.
They derail from the GK performance argument just to make a definitive point regarding next season like we were on a crisis run or reached a deciding point from a club's perspective. If we are only speaking about GKs, that type of shit don't hold water & that goes for both of the keepers & keepers threads.
The seasons that follow after this one matter. That only seems retarded if you support the goalkeeper who time doesn't favor.
DUH! Because they are (indifferent if someone brings up Bravo or someone else), just look at the top GK rankings and show me someone below 25-27. It's facts, not my opinion. Never went serghei mode to claim there was age discrimination, because I'd think ppl in this forum have the basic ability to evaluate performance based on GK performance not age (unless you are a stupid fanboy). Never said there was a need to find another keeper too, especially if both are performing great in their respective tasks. My only comment was directed at those ppl that are assuming management directives based on their immediate notion of the future (next season) v/s actual GK performance, not because its discriminatory but retarded from a managerial perspective to take a rushy bet given the amount of competitions Barca face (in any GK leaving scenario). Maybe take your own advice and pay attention, don't assume my words cuz it makes an ass out you & me.
From a performance perspective Mats has proven himself to be a fantastic goalkeeper. We won both the Copa and the CL with Mats in goal. The risk you are talking about is roughly as big as when we made Bravo our starting keeper even after his abysmal pre-season. Given playing time consistently, every week, the gap between Bravo and Mats wouldn't even be as big as it is. The amount of playing time Bravo gets is often something you lot often like to play down or outright deny (lol) but it remains that it is a very major factor when discussing the supposed difference in quality.
I also wasn't saying you were screaming discrimination, lol. Just gotta take my shot at serghei's hilarious argument. I might even make it my siggy.
Really? We are an academy base team like Ajax with only academy/young players in starting lineup of Liga & CL? Really? Have you seen the starting lineup? What is the average age of our last start up material hirings? Give me a break dude.
We have a gigantic youth system known as "La Masia" that is constantly working towards building players for the first team. I never said anything about us only using youth players, you just assumed that. And like you said, that just makes an ass out of both of us, but you're the hole.
Where are those players? Sorry for my "stupid opinion" but I didnt particularly see Barca B players breaking out in the last years nor I saw success in the ones that broke previously and now are gone. If they are not in the academy Barca will look somewhere else. Now what's the average age of players that Barca is looking to fill the starting line up for the last years? And now, what has been the squad role given to young hirings from Barca academy & outside? That should give you a tip on how the management is taking planning in consideration. My comment was not an opinion on how it should be it was on how it currently is, whether you like it or not.
Just because we haven't had any talent break through in the recent years doesn't mean we aren't trying. There has been a shift since Pep left but that is more down to lack of quality from our young players, one that (As usual) will hopefully be remedied with the next crop of youngsters coming up. Just because we have many middle aged to older players doesn't mean we look don't care at all for the future. As I said before, our entire philosophy is based on building towards the future. You may only be here for Bravo but the club is much deeper than just the first team.
Agree on the first comment but have no idea what Mats have to do in that. (One doesn't imply the other, Mats if faaaaaaaaaaaaar away from being incompetent). Either way, you have to admit that regardless of Barca's philosophy the planning (from an outside point of view) has been set to seize the majority of Leo's playtime and build an elite experienced team around HIM.
The way you so fiercely argue that making Mats our league keeper would be a detriment to the team and a huge risk and blah blah blah suggests to me that you DO think he is incompetent, or at least sub-par. I'm going to BBZ you real quick so bear with me. There are two main arguments I see against Mats, and they are:
1) Mats isn't as good as Bravo and it'd be a huge risk
2) Bravo can play at the top level until he's XX years old so who cares if Mats isn't happy/leaves
Your argument at the moment is behind door #1. Any suggestion that he's not that bad or that he gets less playing time is most often glazed over or, in some cases, flat out denied. When paired with his great performances in the competitions he does play in that pokes a pretty huge hole in your narrative, so it's understandable that you lot would want to avoid that at any costs.
Even from your outside point of view it's absurd to think we're aiming for success purely because of Messi, as if aiming for success is something the club only started desiring in 2008 (Barca didn't win anything before Messi, don't let those idiot Cules tell you differently!) and will stop aiming for when he retires. Believe it or not, but the club doesn't live to serve Messi. He's our best player but the club isn't trying to be elite because we have him. That's just ridiculous.
