Claudio Bravo

[Barcaman]

Bravo was magnificent signing and looks like a nice person as well. Can't understand what's there not to like.

I don't think many people here remember how much trouble we had with goalkeepers in times between Zubi and Valdes.
Probably the trickiest position in Barca.

 

[Mexcelona]

thankfully we are set on this spot for the next 13 years.. unless something better comes around.

 

[Zangash]

The hater MO is based on cherry-picking to build an argument

You don't like Bravo (that's cool, everyone is entitled to their choice/opinion) but you try to cling to anything outside stats and current form to make your point.

I have not said I don't like Bravo. I said he was terrible prior to joining Barca, and I can post numerous videos to prove it from last season alone, as I have already done in the past. Point OVER. Anything said beyond this has nothing to do with what you have just now read.

Also, that kind of extreme logic (x player from X team makes a mistake >> Y teams wins every point (because reasons lël) >> X team fails because of x player) makes me lol everytime. Only an absolutist think in those terms.

I have explained numerous times that this is an argument that you yourself are creating to shove in my mouth and I do not fucking appreciate it one bit. I have not fucking said this, you have. He made a mistake that costed us points. So have Alba, Lucho, Pique, Mascherano, and Alves. I am NOT saying that we need to beat Atletico purely because of Bravo's mistake, but I won't plug my ears and pretend he didn't make a mistake that allowed Madrid to come closer to us in points. I don't know how I can be any clearer than this, and perhaps you learn how to read before bothering to respond.

For fucks sake.

 

[Henry_IB]

I haven't followed the whole argument between you two but what exactly is your point, Zangash? Bravo has made errors that have cost us point but you can make that argument for any player. In the games we drew or lost, I am sure you can look back to chances being missed by our attackers or they could have done X better in Y situation and that would have led to goal.

I agree with you but that he has done errors that have cost us point but what exactly is your point?

 

[Zangash]

I haven't followed the whole argument between you two but what exactly is your point, Zangash? Bravo has made errors that have cost us point but you can make that argument for any player. In the games we drew or lost, I am sure you can look back to chances being missed by our attackers or they could have done X better in Y situation and that would have led to goal.

I agree with you but that he has done errors that have cost us point but what exactly is your point?

You haven't read the argument and openly admit you haven't, so piss off.

All I'm saying is we absolutely need to beat Atletico to ensure we win the league. I really don't get how such a comment is so hard to comprehend. Your buddy quoting posts I made several days ago and tying it into comments I am making now does not make an argument.

 

[evilhita666]

How close is he to clinch the Zamora? Would it be a good idea to start playing Mats so Bravo gets his Zamora and the german is fit for CL?

 

[Observer]

I think my main point is that you have to be fair

- Discussing a GK profile claiming poor performances in the past by cherry-picking is debatable:
1. Sociedad is a very mid-lower table with unbalanced talent in all their lines, an historic poor defense and counter attacking philosophy put together by effort more than tactics.
2. Chile is a much more leveled team to have a comparison, and their gameplay has an identity of play.

*If you want to compare GK performance an even play-field is necessary imho, because any mediocre team's GK has bad stats (proven like toilet paper)

- Isolating individual mistakes as the reason of failed season success is even more debatable:

Why?
1. You can have clean sheets for life and still lose a league.
2. You can have lack of end product upfront and lose a league.
3. Your defense can become blunder-land and lose confidence.
4. Your type of gameplay demands certain things that are not working because of players/tactics
5. Your team can become injury-prone during some part of the season, making your 2nd/youth choices starters.
6. Coach can fuck up team tactics so bad the team is unrecognizable
7. Rotation can make wonders or blunders in the flow.
8. Your competition can win/draw/lose all/some
Etc.

In an elimination type of competition (WC, UCL, EL, etc) any single mistake have a direct result on your overall competition performance. In a league type of competition you have so many variables (direct/indirect) that you cant pinpoint an specific definitive mistake. It's an overall performance summary during a year more/less.

 

[Kerrybai]

@Zangash pretty half our team made mistakes that could be season defining, Bravo mistake, Pique mistakes etc. And the rest have made mistakes that didn't cost us, Suarez missing sitters, Messi missing penalties.

In the end Bravo has made just 1 mistake, thats pretty amazing over the course of the season.

 

[Zangash]

@Zangash pretty half our team made mistakes that could be season defining, Bravo mistake, Pique mistakes etc. And the rest have made mistakes that didn't cost us, Suarez missing sitters, Messi missing penalties.

In the end Bravo has made just 1 mistake, thats pretty amazing over the course of the season.

I know. I understand this. I myself have stated this, numerous times. Now tell me, how does this disprove the fact that we need to beat Atletico?

 

[Zangash]

I think my main point is that you have to be fair

- Discussing a GK profile claiming poor performances in the past by cherry-picking is debatable:
1. Sociedad is a very mid-lower table with unbalanced talent in all their lines, an historic poor defense and counter attacking philosophy put together by effort more than tactics.
2. Chile is a much more leveled team to have a comparison, and their gameplay has an identity of play.

*If you want to compare GK performance an even play-field is necessary imho, because any mediocre team's GK has bad stats (proven like toilet paper)

- Isolating individual mistakes as the reason of failed season success is even more debatable:

Why?
1. You can have clean sheets for life and still lose a league.
2. You can have lack of end product upfront and lose a league.
3. Your defense can become blunder-land and lose confidence.
4. Your type of gameplay demands certain things that are not working because of players/tactics
5. Your team can become injury-prone during some part of the season, making your 2nd/youth choices starters.
6. Coach can fuck up team tactics so bad the team is unrecognizable
7. Rotation can make wonders or blunders in the flow.
8. Your competition can win/draw/lose all/some
Etc.

In an elimination type of competition (WC, UCL, EL, etc) any single mistake have a direct result on your overall competition performance. In a league type of competition you have so many variables (direct/indirect) that you cant pinpoint an specific definitive mistake. It's an overall performance summary during a year more/less.

I am so far beyond being done with you I don't even know what to say. You are arguing with yourself but for some reason you seem to be addressing me. I would say that what you're arguing against is not what I'm saying or even implying but I've already said that a dozen times, so I'm out of here.

 

[Kerrybai]

I know. I understand this. I myself have stated this, numerous times. Now tell me, how does this disprove the fact that we need to beat Atletico?

How do you know we need to beat them? Madrid have Sevilla and Valencia before we play Atletico.

 

[KingMessi]

How do you know we need to beat them? Madrid have Sevilla and Valencia before we play Atletico.

He's right though. AS IT STANDS, we need to win each and every one of our remaining games. Now things could change, but, until then, this is the way it is.

 

[Kerrybai]

He's right though. AS IT STANDS, we need to win each and every one of our remaining games. Now things could change, but, until then, this is the way it is.

Sure as it stands, but he's looking at a game thats nearly 3 weeks away. We can't predict Madrids results in May.

 

[KingMessi]

Sure as it stands, but he's looking at a game thats nearly 3 weeks away. We can't predict Madrids results in May.

This is also true.

 

[Zangash]

How do you know we need to beat them? Madrid have Sevilla and Valencia before we play Atletico.

I'd much rather put our eggs in the basket of us bringing our A game to win than waving off Madrid's chances of winning their games. If we win all of our remaining games we are 100% champions. If we don't we're stuck hoping Madrid drops points. I don't see why or how you can wave off beating Atletico as something important. You'd look mighty foolish if we drop 2-3 points there and Madrid crashes out of the CL but dominates Valencia and Sevilla.