CatalinR10
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Oh yeah , I remember that too
Was he the one who sent you like more than 100 PM even though you didn't respond to any ?
Forgot about that , thought it was another user.
Cr150
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Oh yeah , I remember that too
Was he the one who sent you like more than 100 PM even though you didn't respond to any ?
Forgot about that , thought it was another user.
KingLeo10
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Yep that was himOh yeah , I remember that too
Was he the one who sent you like more than 100 PM even though you didn't respond to any ?
Forgot about that , thought it was another user.
I even screenposted it somewhere but it was like 3 years ago (can't believe this deranged bozo is still at it).
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Its just what you think, this is my only acc!!! 💯🥸
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Ok guys im too tired to argue, KL was cheeky once again and needed that beat-down & reality check💯
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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To have some positive things here
Unbelievable😳😳😳
Unbelievable😳😳😳
Maradona37
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Lol notice it's mostly his team-mates at Man United sucking up to him. Plus an American football player who has no clue about football and likely loves Ronaldo for his physique and pace.
He didn't 'conquer' the Premier League He scored goals thanks to service, while Man United became a much worse team and finished sixth I think it was, with 58 points. He destabilised the entire club then did a burn it all down interview with Morgan.
The team scored more as a TEAM and accrued more points without him. That's just an example of him boosting his own stats at the expense of the team, as with Juventus and Portugal.
Like people saying he 'conquered' La Liga by winning the title 2 years out of 9
He didn't 'conquer' the Premier League
He scored goals thanks to service, while Man United became a much worse team and finished sixth I think it was, with 58 points. He destabilised the entire club then did a burn it all down interview with Morgan.The team scored more as a TEAM and accrued more points without him. That's just an example of him boosting his own stats at the expense of the team, as with Juventus and Portugal.
Like people saying he 'conquered' La Liga by winning the title 2 years out of 9
CatalinR10
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Elite PL conqueror at 37 .
Temptation
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Argentina don't win the WC without Messi and Messi doesn't win it without the brilliant, robust, energetic setup by Scaloni.
The Argentina team is basically a bunch of hardworking, energetic, young players with decent to great technical ability. Argentina hugely rely on Messi to make magic happen in the final third or provide the finishing touch or final ball. They do the dirty work off the ball and Messi does the magic in and around the final third. They also rely on ADM to come clutch and bail them out in some of the biggest games. The 2 oldies are the difference-makers and game-changers in this very cohesive unit. Scaloni has done a phenomenal job.
No player wins trophies on his own. That's just moronic fanboy bullshit. It's a team sport. Not Tennis. Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona......none of them won it on their own. We, Football fans call it a "carry job" or "carrying" when a certain individual has an utterly overwhelming contribution and importance like Maradona 86.
But I don't think anyone in their right mind would call the Qatar WC a carry-job. The entire team was outstanding barring the Saudi game. Messi had an amazing WC for his age and a very good WC in general. 9.5/10 for his age. 8/10 in general. Mbappe and Messi were the 2 best players in the Qatar WC.
Messi did his job and provided the magic in the final third and goal contributions for Argentina. As did Di Maria. As did the supporting cast. As did Scaloni. Everyone did their part brilliantly. It was a true team effort.
Do Argentina and Scaloni win the WC without Messi? No. Without Messi, it's an incomplete team.
Does Messi win the WC without this NT set-up and team? Fuck No! Because he wouldn't have the support he desperately needs.
Argentina were easily the best team in the tournament. Huge winning streak and great team spirit and unity. On paper, not necessarily the sexiest lineup. But on the pitch, Argies were easily the best-performing team in the tournament.
I'll illustrate my point with an example: Paul Pogba is way more famous and gifted than Macca but it's obvious that Macca is a far more relevant and useful player for any team that actually wants to win trophies. France, England and Brazil might have big names but most of their players perform like idiots. Mbappe CARRIED France in the final. The rest of the team just shat the bed!
The Argentina team is basically a bunch of hardworking, energetic, young players with decent to great technical ability. Argentina hugely rely on Messi to make magic happen in the final third or provide the finishing touch or final ball. They do the dirty work off the ball and Messi does the magic in and around the final third. They also rely on ADM to come clutch and bail them out in some of the biggest games. The 2 oldies are the difference-makers and game-changers in this very cohesive unit. Scaloni has done a phenomenal job.
No player wins trophies on his own. That's just moronic fanboy bullshit. It's a team sport. Not Tennis. Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona......none of them won it on their own. We, Football fans call it a "carry job" or "carrying" when a certain individual has an utterly overwhelming contribution and importance like Maradona 86.
But I don't think anyone in their right mind would call the Qatar WC a carry-job. The entire team was outstanding barring the Saudi game. Messi had an amazing WC for his age and a very good WC in general. 9.5/10 for his age. 8/10 in general. Mbappe and Messi were the 2 best players in the Qatar WC.
Messi did his job and provided the magic in the final third and goal contributions for Argentina. As did Di Maria. As did the supporting cast. As did Scaloni. Everyone did their part brilliantly. It was a true team effort.
Do Argentina and Scaloni win the WC without Messi? No. Without Messi, it's an incomplete team.
Does Messi win the WC without this NT set-up and team? Fuck No! Because he wouldn't have the support he desperately needs.
Argentina were easily the best team in the tournament. Huge winning streak and great team spirit and unity. On paper, not necessarily the sexiest lineup. But on the pitch, Argies were easily the best-performing team in the tournament.
I'll illustrate my point with an example: Paul Pogba is way more famous and gifted than Macca but it's obvious that Macca is a far more relevant and useful player for any team that actually wants to win trophies. France, England and Brazil might have big names but most of their players perform like idiots. Mbappe CARRIED France in the final. The rest of the team just shat the bed!
Maradona37
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Brilliant post - other than maybe the bit about Mbappe carrying France in the final. Not entirely sold on that, but other than that, excellent.
Carrying or winning on your own is impossible in a team sport. Maradona and Garrincha came closer than anyone ever did, but ultimately you need at least some of your team mates to perform too.
Carrying or winning on your own is impossible in a team sport. Maradona and Garrincha came closer than anyone ever did, but ultimately you need at least some of your team mates to perform too.
Define carry however you want. Throughout a tournament where you consistenly have an outlier in terms of performance every in 90% of games is a carry job in my book.
Then there are also likes of Enzo scoring bangers or ADM being a deadly threat everytime he's on the ball, in addition to a set of players doing their jobs with excellence, Dibu coming in clutch etc. That doesn't take away the fact that Messi had an absolutely brilliant WC. MOTM in every game or at least a contender if not (no not official motm but eye test).
People talk about leadership but it's rarely mentioned how an entire Argentina squad was ready to die for Messi. Fati and the other kids talk about aura nowadays, that's the definition.
Then there are also likes of Enzo scoring bangers or ADM being a deadly threat everytime he's on the ball, in addition to a set of players doing their jobs with excellence, Dibu coming in clutch etc. That doesn't take away the fact that Messi had an absolutely brilliant WC. MOTM in every game or at least a contender if not (no not official motm but eye test).
People talk about leadership but it's rarely mentioned how an entire Argentina squad was ready to die for Messi. Fati and the other kids talk about aura nowadays, that's the definition.
Gnidrologist
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Ok, Alemania man. How about you really shut your 14 year old 60IQ mouth a bit. All this shilling for bumRonaldo and trying to provoke Barca fans (every Barca fan, is usually also a Messi fan, yes) into reaction, because you said something intentionally factually wrong, retarded or slyly provocative, is getting tiresome, don't you think? It's pretty much the only debate you engage in with passion. Are you also posting from mental asylum like Rassvet, only on more lenient regime? You definitely need to find another reason to live, but to shill for dumb, unlikeable bum, with delusions of grandeur, especially since Messi swept him off any discussion about having him as a worthy rival.Lettland
Don Juan Laporta Estruch
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If we can't apply the term 'carry' to Messi or Maradona then we may as well eliminate the idea of carrying in the game of football altogether.
Messi is as much as a one man team as you will ever see. He is the actual whole attacking system incorporated in one. There is a reason Argentina and Inter Miami play the way they do, a fast intricate tiki taka style of game. Because they conceded their whole attacking style to one player and he implemented the system he grow up with, upon them. There is no surprise that when a team refuses to let him be the system, ( PSG ), the team suffers and Messi doesn't look like Messi.
It doesn't negate the fact that Dibu and Romero are two of the best in the world and De Paul, Molina and Alvarez all elevated themselves to height not seen since to say that Messi carried the team to World Cup glory.
But when you have a player who is the difference maker 90 percent of the time, who is an outlier on every attacking statistics in the competition, who lead the team from the front with numerous clutch moments, how can you say he didn't carry the team?
Messi's world cup triumph was as big as a carry job as Maradona 86.
Messi is as much as a one man team as you will ever see. He is the actual whole attacking system incorporated in one. There is a reason Argentina and Inter Miami play the way they do, a fast intricate tiki taka style of game. Because they conceded their whole attacking style to one player and he implemented the system he grow up with, upon them. There is no surprise that when a team refuses to let him be the system, ( PSG ), the team suffers and Messi doesn't look like Messi.
It doesn't negate the fact that Dibu and Romero are two of the best in the world and De Paul, Molina and Alvarez all elevated themselves to height not seen since to say that Messi carried the team to World Cup glory.
But when you have a player who is the difference maker 90 percent of the time, who is an outlier on every attacking statistics in the competition, who lead the team from the front with numerous clutch moments, how can you say he didn't carry the team?
Messi's world cup triumph was as big as a carry job as Maradona 86.
Maradona37
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I think it's pedantry. There's no such thing as a one man team - but Maradona and Messi (and Garrincha in 1962) come as close as anyone ever has.
Maradona had Valdano and Burruchaga as other top players. Messi had 2 or 3 you can argue are really top players. But they were by a country mile the most important players in their respective sides.
It's still a team game, though.
The laughable thing is people claim CR carries teams, and is better at it than Messi, which is the complete opposite of reality.
Maradona had Valdano and Burruchaga as other top players. Messi had 2 or 3 you can argue are really top players. But they were by a country mile the most important players in their respective sides.
It's still a team game, though.
The laughable thing is people claim CR carries teams, and is better at it than Messi, which is the complete opposite of reality.
jamrock
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Why do we even entertain these debates, it's a settled subject.
At this point, it's like flat earthers Vs settled science.
Messi is better than Ronaldo and it's not really now even close, he's the Goat.
If someone wants to argue it's Pele, Maradona not him. Thats a more legit debate.
He Carried Argentina to that WC, End of period, replace Messi with any other WC player at that WC, 0% chance they win it, because no player alive can do what he does in the final 3rd.
Put Messi on any good team, they are very likely to win the WC.
At this point, it's like flat earthers Vs settled science.
Messi is better than Ronaldo and it's not really now even close, he's the Goat.
If someone wants to argue it's Pele, Maradona not him. Thats a more legit debate.
He Carried Argentina to that WC, End of period, replace Messi with any other WC player at that WC, 0% chance they win it, because no player alive can do what he does in the final 3rd.
Put Messi on any good team, they are very likely to win the WC.
Temptation
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Ironic how the Messibois like posts criticising "celebrity worship" while taking it to a whole new level themselves.
A Messi fan here told me I was creating a strawman and how no Messi fan makes such delusional claims. Well, here's the proof: multiple posts in a row. Enjoy.
A Messi fan here told me I was creating a strawman and how no Messi fan makes such delusional claims. Well, here's the proof: multiple posts in a row. Enjoy.
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