Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

[RMU ReBorn]

So, except for the "glorious" cdr, you guys are justifying 2012 ballon dor on the fact that he had better numbers than Ronaldo, despite Ronaldo winning the bigger trophy. Next year Ronaldo won the ballon dor with less trophies and better numbers than Messi, but that was a "scandal". I dont get this. Its almost the same scenario, just backwards.

CDR + national record + making his team finish at the top of world cup qualification table in La and of course breaking decade's old World Record . it's not like he had a trophy less season . Cdr won is won

 

[RMU ReBorn]

From 2011-12 season to the end of 2012-13 season , Messi had 44 assist's and Ronaldo had 27 given that this time period is the topic of debate. ok i am wrong Messi didn't assisted twice , but look at that difference ...

 

[Flavia]

If only one could predict the future before every single ballon dor.
But essentially, its an argument of numbers at this point. Messis 90-something goals were more than good enough,, while Ronaldos 70 goals are being laughed at. Yes, Messi statpadded better, but the argument is almost the same. Is cdr really the big argument for Messis ballon dor in 2013?

No, the big argument was breaking a 40 year old record. cr didn't break any records like that in the following year. Messi had la liga to show for it too, and he scored 45 goals in the calendar year of 2013, because he was injured. It's not like he was way behind cr or anything for another reason. cr had absolutely nothing, not even a cdr.

Wait, I'm wrong. cr had something... he had help with the reopening of votes. And I haven't seen you say anything about that. Without that blatant corruption, cr wouldn't had won the bdor. It was really shameful.

So, except for the "glorious" cdr, you guys are justifying 2012 ballon dor on the fact that he had better numbers than Ronaldo, despite Ronaldo winning the bigger trophy. Next year Ronaldo won the ballon dor with less trophies and better numbers than Messi, but that was a "scandal". I dont get this. Its almost the same scenario, just backwards.

The scandal was the reopening of votes... Or was that normal for you? Messi would had won if that didn't happen.

 

[Morten]

No, the big argument was breaking a 40 year old record. cr didn't break any records like that in the following year. Messi had la liga to show for it too, and he scored 45 goals in the calendar year of 2013, because he was injured. It's not like he was way behind cr or anything for another reason. cr had absolutely nothing, not even a cdr.

Wait, I'm wrong. cr had something... he had help with the reopening of votes. And I haven't seen you say anything about that. Without that blatant corruption, cr wouldn't had won the bdor. It was really shameful.

You just said it yourself, numbers is the argument here. Superior numbers are good enough its enough for a ballon dor, despite others winning bigger trophies. A year later, superior numbers is supposedly not good enough, because of lack of trophies. As for the last part, i have no idea why it was changed. But i will tell you, i hope they keep november/dec, why should they drop one month of the year, as that particular month doesnt matter?

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Superior number's + trophy+ World cup qualifiers + National record . How many time's should this be repeated so that it will get in to Morten's brain

 

[Flavia]

You just said it yourself, numbers is the argument here. Superior numbers are good enough its enough for a ballon dor, despite others winning bigger trophies. A year later, superior numbers is supposedly not good enough, because of lack of trophies. As for the last part, i have no idea why it was changed.

You have no idea? Hahaha, cute. Blatant corruption from your club, you club's president and blatter, who is also a rm soci. Keep pretending it didn't happen, though.

I know you'll keep trying to divert from that with a shallow "numbers" argument, without context and not really analysing what happened in both years. What Messi did in 2012 wasn't normal. And he wasn't great just for Barça, but also for Argentina, what you are obviously ignoring. And his follow up year in 2013 was also better than cr's, even with his injury. That's why cr didn't deserve it, and had to go to the lenghts he did to steal that bdor.

One of the biggest acts of corruption in modern football, but nicely swept under the rug because rm is the most powerful club.

 

[Morten]

From 2011-12 season to the end of 2012-13 season , Messi had 44 assist's and Ronaldo had 27 given that this time period is the topic of debate. ok i am wrong Messi didn't assisted twice , but look at that difference ...

Season stats doesnt matter, we are talking about calendar stats here. For the record, im pretty sure Messi had 22 assists in 2012 compared to Ronaldos 17 in 2013. Messi had 10 more matches than Ronaldo, in comparison.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Messi vs Ronaldo for Calendar year 2012 ( Nb - only those who are with braincells working properly should read this )

Messi
App -69
Goal's -91
Assist's-22

Ronaldo
71 Apps
63 goal's
14 Assist's


For National team
Leo
9 Apps
12 Goal's
1- Assist

Ronaldo ( 13 Apps , 5 goal's , 2 Assist's )

Achievement's
Leo - CDR , Golden boot , Guiness world record , National record for most goals in a year , Argentina finishing at top in Latin America

Ronaldo - La Liga ( won) & kicked out from Euro Sf with Ronaldo refusing to take Pen .

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Season stats doesnt matter, we are talking about calendar stats here. For the record, im pretty sure Messi had 22 assists in 2012 compared to Ronaldos 17 in 2013. Messi had 10 more matches than Ronaldo, in comparison.

22 Assist's for leo in 2012 and Ronaldo 14 .. And your argument is Ronaldo deserved in 2012 . in 2012 Leo had Cdr and achievement's for Argentina to show for were as cr had nothing to show for his 17 Assist's in 2013

 

[Morten]

You have no idea? Hahaha, cute. Blatant corruption from your club, you club's president and blatter, who is also a rm soci. Keep pretending it didn't happen, though.

I know you'll keep trying to divert from that with a shallow "numbers" argument, without context and not really analysing what happened in both years. What Messi did in 2012 wasn't normal. And he wasn't great just for Barça, but also for Argentina, what you are obviously ignoring. And his follow up year in 2013 was also better than cr's, even with his injury. That's why cr didn't deserve it, and had to go to the lenghts he did to steal that bdor.

One of the biggest acts of corruption in modern football, but nicely swept under the rug because rm is the most powerful club.

I know some context though, Messi actually went missing in the big games towards the end of 2012, Chelski 2x and Real Madrid, the biggest matches in the last few months. When the league was already over, Messi went on an absurd statpad in the league that accomplished nothing. Ronaldo and Messi were very close in terms og league goals until then. You talk about Messi helping Argentina qualify, while Ronaldo helped Portugal to get to the semis, before losing against Spain on penalties. Yeah, i agree, what Messi did wasnt normal, but it was still just numbers that didnt accomplish very much. Unless of course, ballon dor should predict the future for 2013.

 

[Morten]

Messi vs Ronaldo for Calendar year 2012 ( Nb - only those who are with braincells working properly should read this )

Messi
App -69
Goal's -91
Assist's-22

Ronaldo
71 Apps
63 goal's
14 Assist's


For National team
Leo
9 Apps
12 Goal's
1- Assist

Ronaldo ( 13 Apps , 5 goal's , 2 Assist's )

Achievement's
Leo - CDR , Golden boot , Guiness world record , National record for most goals in a year , Argentina finishing at top in Latin America

Ronaldo - La Liga ( won) & kicked out from Euro Sf with Ronaldo refusing to take Pen .

Did you actually read? I compared Ronaldos assists in 2013 to Messi in 2012. Btw, Ronaldo didnt refuse to take a penalty, he just wanted the fift penalty to take the glory, as he have proved since. Its just how he is. Nice that we are comparing numbers btw, which just proves my point.

 

[Morten]

22 Assist's for leo in 2012 and Ronaldo 14 .. And your argument is Ronaldo deserved in 2012 . in 2012 Leo had Cdr and achievement's for Argentina to show for were as cr had nothing to show for his 17 Assist's in 2013

Ronaldo had a much bigger trophy to show for in 2012, while Messi had the numbers. 2013 Ronaldo had the numbers, while not the trophies, its strikingly similiar.

 

[Flavia]

I know some context though, Messi actually went missing in the big games towards the end of 2012, Chelski 2x and Real Madrid, the biggest matches in the last few months. When the league was already over, Messi went on an absurd statpad in the league that accomplished nothing. Ronaldo and Messi were very close in terms og league goals until then. You talk about Messi helping Argentina qualify, while Ronaldo helped Portugal to get to the semis, before losing against Spain on penalties. Yeah, i agree, what Messi did wasnt normal, but it was still just numbers that didnt accomplish very much. Unless of course, ballon dor should predict the future for 2013.

He accomplished a lot. And Messi's game is not just stats padding, he was actually stunning the world with his performances. The votes for the bdor didn't end until November, and to me that's when he shone the most. His performances from August to November were the best part of that year.

I don't really understand how can anyone defend blatant corruption, because that's what cr winning in 2013 was, but to each his own, I guess. Votes don't reopen, cr doesn't win. That's what it is.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

I know some context though, Messi actually went missing in the big games towards the end of 2012, Chelski 2x and Real Madrid, the biggest matches in the last few months. When the league was already over, Messi went on an absurd statpad in the league that accomplished nothing. Ronaldo and Messi were very close in terms og league goals until then. You talk about Messi helping Argentina qualify, while Ronaldo helped Portugal to get to the semis, before losing against Spain on penalties. Yeah, i agree, what Messi did wasnt normal, but it was still just numbers that didnt accomplish very much. Unless of course, ballon dor should predict the future for 2013.

Messi scored in Classico that year and well like Messi went Missing against Chelsea Ronaldo's pen Miss was the reason they went out vs Bayern .. Messi was golden boot winner in 2012-13 as well when they won liga. So it wasn't just statspading in 2012 . . Messi scoring 12 in 9 matchs for Argentina and Ronaldo scoring 3 in Euro Cup doesn't come under same level of performance . Argentina was on the top of table and Ronaldo's portugal scrapped through a piss poor Cech Republic

 

[Morten]

He accomplished a lot. And Messi's game is not just stats padding, he was actually stunning the world with his performances. The votes for the bdor didn't end until November, and to me that's when he shone the most. His performances from August to November were the best part of that year.

I don't really understand how can anyone defend blatant corruption, because that's what cr winning in 2013 was, but to each his own, I guess. Votes don't reopen, cr doesn't win. That's what it is.

Im just using my own hyperbole here. Whether you like it or not, the comparison between the 2 ballon dors are similiar. 2012 Messi had the superior stats, but not quite the trophies, a year later Ronaldo had superior stats but not the trophies. That is all. Im not saying that one or the other didnt deserve the ballon dor that year or the other, im just pointing out the obvious similarities.