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ChuckaOwns
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Ye definatly as i said, he's still really clumsy and sometimes late but overall made some better challenges.
Dmytro Chygrynskiy
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La Furia
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The problem all comes down to his speed. When he a defender is close to him he's decent, he's strong and has okay technique after all, but he's so damn slow that he's late 9/10 times. With Abidal or another relatively fast defense-first player on the flank he could learn to make the most of his limited pace via positioning (which he has yet to impress me with, positioning is what is going to make or break his Barca career) but with the defensively worthless Maxwell House the two of them bring out each others worst traits, add a risk prone DM like Biscuits who is likely to lose the ball in Chyga's zone and you are asking for trouble.
I really don't see him being ideal for this system, he really needs to be a flawless game reader to make the most of his horrible pace with a high back line. We need Puyol's spiritual successor, David Luiz.
In Ukraine Chyga had the perfect role, he played for a defense-first club that allowed him to focus on a limited area to defend and his unlimited passing range would be ideal for creating cherry-picker counters.
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Ye, Busquets loses the ball often or tries abit too much and that leaves chyg open to the pace of players which as you said is where he goes terrible, like for example susaeta (sp?) today in the middle, the ball is coming to him susaeta knocks it away and he just basically kicks him becuase he's so slow he doesn't expect it and still thinks he can retrieve the ball. i'll tell you what's worrying though is the amount of times that i've seen him just dive in sooo stupidly when he has no, i mean absolutely no chance of getting the ball, he just dives in the back of them.
La Furia
Legion of Doooom
I understand he's new and is going to have issues with chemistry and understanding the system but this is a player who came advertised as a calm, intelligent player with suburb game reading skills. While he has shown he can increase excellent passes I don't like what I see when it comes to his defensive game reading skills, he seems to blindly rush into tackles and has made some absolutely bone-headed ones in every game he has played.
diegomessi
Anxiously waiting for the next match
sell him to portsmouth for 1 mill
La Furia
Legion of Doooom
No, he's our key for getting David Luiz.
Though they'd probably prefer Caceres to keep their South American thing going.![[FCB]Messi[10](/data/avatars/m/1/1964.jpg?1681148121){kind=avatar}
[FCB]Messi[10
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Well I know he didn't play Puyol like, but this was the best game he has played for Barcelona and hopefully he will improve. If he does not improve he needs to be sold and we need to buy someone maybe.
diegomessi
Anxiously waiting for the next match
Confessions of a writer
I have a confession. This is a subject I have been anxious to write about ever since the signing of Dmytro Chygrynskiy (’Chyggy’ henceforth in this article), and although I tried to wait until more appearances, I decided to write it now amidst the increasing criticism over the Ukrainian’s performances and transfer.
As you can presume by the title, I am not going to speak of Chyggy alone, but rather enquire about the back four combinations that include him, and the differences between them. The main focus, also hinted in the title, will be the partnership with Gerard Pique, who is arguably Barcelona’s first choice CB, taking into account the problems of benching Puyol.
Two Piques are better than one?
Again, the title says it all, Two towers ready to fend off any incoming ball, whether high or low, in order to keep the opposition away from the box. Only problem, so far, it is yet prove itself efficient. During Saturday’s game against Mallorca, one of the opposition’s corner almost ended up with the ball in Valdes’ net after Pique and Chyggy both missed a header to the rather easy lob (KO – to the rather easy lob?? what does that mean now?), with the Spaniard slightly deflecting the ball off its original course to meet the Ukrainian’s head.
In what might have been Pique’s worst performance since he returned to Catalunya, it was evident that neither he nor Chyggy truly knew their role on the pitch, and that Guardiola had failed to explain them their tasks. When Pique plays with Puyol, it is quite clear that Puyol is in charge of man marking and Pique is of clearance and relieving pressure.
This is due to the differences between the duo. Puyol is shorter, but stronger and faster, while Pique is tall, slow and yet posses great technical skills. This also allows Pique to play as the back four’s playmaker, assisting Xavi when he is under pressure. The problem with Chyggy is that he and Pique are too much alike, and that often causes mix-ups, as you lose the qualities Puyol and Marquez has to offer. It is unclear as to who goes forward and when, and where to position during set pieces, and finally when to switch positions. All of these are matters to be handled by Guardiola and Vilanova, with the help of both players.
The way I see it, Chyggy is physically stronger then Pique, and is better at air play, while Pique is a bit faster and technically superior, although Chyggy doesn’t lack in that department either. Based on that, I believe it is safe to say that between the two, Chyggy is the one to usually stays behind, but given the chance he should not hesitate going forward and deploy his killer passes, while Pique covers for him.
Puyol kissing the captain armband after scoring against Real Madrid at the Santiago Barnabeu
The Puyol Effect
Questions has been raised recently regarding El Captain’s future with Barca, mainly after Chyggy’s transfer. Regardless to his age, Puyol is one of the best defenders presently, and is Barca’s only cover for the right-back position (without taking youth players into account). And of course one must not forget Puyol’s leadership skills. This is where things get complicated. How do you choose who to field when you have the captain of the team, a revelation of center-back, and a 25 million euros signing? The answer is simple: Patience.
Chyggy turned 23 last week, and not once has Guardiola has mentioned that he is the one for the future. He needs to settle in, understand the tactics, the language, the Barca philosophy. He needs to understand his team mates, learn how to communicate and work with them. It is going to take time, whether it is a whole season, like Thierry Henry, or after ten games, like Daniel Alves. And yes, there is a possibility it might not happen at all. But the truth is Chyggy is a center-back just like the book says: strong, tall, can handle the ball, and if I may say, quite the opposite of a so called Barca ‘flop’ Martin Caceres. Perhaps Guardiola learned from his mistakes.
Expectations
As hard as it is to predict Guardiola, and even harder to predict player form, Chyggy is probably not going to play as much as Pique did last year. Unlike Alves or Ibrahimovic, who did not have the time to settle since they were first choice in their position right after their arrival, Chyggy is going to be eased into it. He will get more and more playing time, even if it takes next season as well, until Guardiola sees it fit to make him a starter. But one thing is certain: unless they are unfit, Puyol and Pique are going to start in the El Clasico.
Marquez is yet to find his best form, and Chyggy simply cannot convince Guardiola in one game (Athletic). Besides, can anyone forget Puyol’s super-jump that gave us the lead during the Clasico humiliation last year? This is where we need Puyol most. Chyggy cannot yet fully understand the meaning of the Clasico, while Puyol might just play against dinosaurs if Real’s starting line-up would consist of 11 T-Rexes. Still, Puyol is getting older and while he is progressing towards the last stages of his career, he will be there to ensure that all of the knowledge he acquired during his 14 year spell in Barcelona is not wasted. So that one day, in the near future, Pique and Chyggy could form the dream center-back partnership dubbed ‘The Two Towers’.
I have a confession. This is a subject I have been anxious to write about ever since the signing of Dmytro Chygrynskiy (’Chyggy’ henceforth in this article), and although I tried to wait until more appearances, I decided to write it now amidst the increasing criticism over the Ukrainian’s performances and transfer.
As you can presume by the title, I am not going to speak of Chyggy alone, but rather enquire about the back four combinations that include him, and the differences between them. The main focus, also hinted in the title, will be the partnership with Gerard Pique, who is arguably Barcelona’s first choice CB, taking into account the problems of benching Puyol.
Two Piques are better than one?
Again, the title says it all, Two towers ready to fend off any incoming ball, whether high or low, in order to keep the opposition away from the box. Only problem, so far, it is yet prove itself efficient. During Saturday’s game against Mallorca, one of the opposition’s corner almost ended up with the ball in Valdes’ net after Pique and Chyggy both missed a header to the rather easy lob (KO – to the rather easy lob?? what does that mean now?), with the Spaniard slightly deflecting the ball off its original course to meet the Ukrainian’s head.
In what might have been Pique’s worst performance since he returned to Catalunya, it was evident that neither he nor Chyggy truly knew their role on the pitch, and that Guardiola had failed to explain them their tasks. When Pique plays with Puyol, it is quite clear that Puyol is in charge of man marking and Pique is of clearance and relieving pressure.
This is due to the differences between the duo. Puyol is shorter, but stronger and faster, while Pique is tall, slow and yet posses great technical skills. This also allows Pique to play as the back four’s playmaker, assisting Xavi when he is under pressure. The problem with Chyggy is that he and Pique are too much alike, and that often causes mix-ups, as you lose the qualities Puyol and Marquez has to offer. It is unclear as to who goes forward and when, and where to position during set pieces, and finally when to switch positions. All of these are matters to be handled by Guardiola and Vilanova, with the help of both players.
The way I see it, Chyggy is physically stronger then Pique, and is better at air play, while Pique is a bit faster and technically superior, although Chyggy doesn’t lack in that department either. Based on that, I believe it is safe to say that between the two, Chyggy is the one to usually stays behind, but given the chance he should not hesitate going forward and deploy his killer passes, while Pique covers for him.
Puyol kissing the captain armband after scoring against Real Madrid at the Santiago Barnabeu
The Puyol Effect
Questions has been raised recently regarding El Captain’s future with Barca, mainly after Chyggy’s transfer. Regardless to his age, Puyol is one of the best defenders presently, and is Barca’s only cover for the right-back position (without taking youth players into account). And of course one must not forget Puyol’s leadership skills. This is where things get complicated. How do you choose who to field when you have the captain of the team, a revelation of center-back, and a 25 million euros signing? The answer is simple: Patience.
Chyggy turned 23 last week, and not once has Guardiola has mentioned that he is the one for the future. He needs to settle in, understand the tactics, the language, the Barca philosophy. He needs to understand his team mates, learn how to communicate and work with them. It is going to take time, whether it is a whole season, like Thierry Henry, or after ten games, like Daniel Alves. And yes, there is a possibility it might not happen at all. But the truth is Chyggy is a center-back just like the book says: strong, tall, can handle the ball, and if I may say, quite the opposite of a so called Barca ‘flop’ Martin Caceres. Perhaps Guardiola learned from his mistakes.
Expectations
As hard as it is to predict Guardiola, and even harder to predict player form, Chyggy is probably not going to play as much as Pique did last year. Unlike Alves or Ibrahimovic, who did not have the time to settle since they were first choice in their position right after their arrival, Chyggy is going to be eased into it. He will get more and more playing time, even if it takes next season as well, until Guardiola sees it fit to make him a starter. But one thing is certain: unless they are unfit, Puyol and Pique are going to start in the El Clasico.
Marquez is yet to find his best form, and Chyggy simply cannot convince Guardiola in one game (Athletic). Besides, can anyone forget Puyol’s super-jump that gave us the lead during the Clasico humiliation last year? This is where we need Puyol most. Chyggy cannot yet fully understand the meaning of the Clasico, while Puyol might just play against dinosaurs if Real’s starting line-up would consist of 11 T-Rexes. Still, Puyol is getting older and while he is progressing towards the last stages of his career, he will be there to ensure that all of the knowledge he acquired during his 14 year spell in Barcelona is not wasted. So that one day, in the near future, Pique and Chyggy could form the dream center-back partnership dubbed ‘The Two Towers’.
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Valon
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He had his best game in his FCB career so far IMO. Still made mistakes but he was better than other times he played.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
He will be sold on to Man City for 10 million I reckon. He can be cover on the bench for Pique but you cannot have them both as central defenders. As other posters have previously pointed out-they are too alike and the same defensive lapses keep occurring. Chyg is not mobile enough to be a Barca player. He will be a good sub but not a starter.
The problem with Pep is he either loves you or hates you. If he hates you say hello to another club (on loan)and say goodbye to Barca forever. He doesnt really give you a chance and that is rigid thinking. Henrique and Caceras needed game time.
I love how Pep gives Chyg game after game but benches Caceras and sends the others out on loan. Why dont we just sell them? (at a huge loss of course) Its not as if they are going to come back and play for Barca.
The problem with Pep is he either loves you or hates you. If he hates you say hello to another club (on loan)and say goodbye to Barca forever. He doesnt really give you a chance and that is rigid thinking. Henrique and Caceras needed game time.
I love how Pep gives Chyg game after game but benches Caceras and sends the others out on loan. Why dont we just sell them? (at a huge loss of course) Its not as if they are going to come back and play for Barca.
Aryagorn
Improvin' Perfection!!
Talented guys are often the most stubborn!! One of Caceras, Henrique & Botia should have stayed... Since Botia is gaining nice experience on loan, at least Caceras should have stayed!!
La Furia
Legion of Doooom
He had a good game against us in the Super Cup. Scouting at its finest.
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