TanzaBarca
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yes, 2-0 barca
El Clasico 10/11: FC Barcelona - Real Madrid 5-0 Manita!
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yes, 2-0 barca
Sepuldinho
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david villa to score 
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Valon
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to score.
Internazionale
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:ibra: to score
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Valon
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/deletes that abomination
Beast
The Observer
Tell me something, where did I once claim that Barca hadn't done any of this? I was pointing out that while he was trying to take some kind of moral high ground by painting Barca to be a devil of a club, when his own club aren't exactly whiter than white (pardon the irony).
Also, I have read from several sources about the dressing room incident happening as well as a lot of leaning being done before the match. I am happy to be corrected on this, can you link me to some information? I'm always open to correction.
No need to be so elitist, you are assuming that I was coming from this from a particular point of view, which I wasn't. But yea, jump down my throat again.
We are all sinners , no one can claim any moral high ground Neil .
As for the dressing room incident .
It's 1943, Spain's Cup semifinals, second leg. Real Madrid beats Barcelona by 11-1. Many of our enemies try to hide our spectacular victory against the Blaugrana team behind some poor allegations of being helped by General Franco’s government. For instance, they claim that some agents of the Guardia Civil threatened Barcelona’s players at half time for speaking in Catalan (a regional language spoken in north-east Spain), which was briefly forbidden after the Spanish civil war. Another version is that the officers who came into the visitor changing room gave the Barcelona players a harsh beating which left them in very poor shape. There's another tale involving government representatives "persuading" the referee that Real should win the match.
The facts:
All these colorful stories can be easily refuted with verifiable data:
- The Guardia Civil agents that supposedly entered Barcelona’s changing room could not
threaten them for speaking in Catalan, since the law banning its public use had been repealed in 1942, the match taking place in 1943.
- The main cause of Barcelona’s trashing could hardly be a beating by the police at half time, since at the end of the first half the score was already 8-0. In the second half, Real Madrid scored only three more goals, and Barcelona managed to score one.
- The only referee's warning on record was a call for both teams for fair play.
Taking a look at that era, the notion of Franco helping Real Madrid in its victories over his years of government in Spain emerges as certainly odd: while the General won the war in 1939, Real Madrid wasn't able to grab a title or a cup until 1947, and didn't win the league until 1954. Instead, during that same period, Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao, two of the clubs based in the supposedly most anti-Franco regions of Spain, were the clubs that won more titles (one League and four Cups for Bilbao and a whopping five leagues and four cups for Barcelona). Regarding the match this chapter deals with, one could hardly understand how Franco's men could have helped Real Madrid win Barcelona 11-1 and let them lose the Cup final against Bilbao (0-1). Kind of a waste, huh?
Lastly, Bernardo Salazar, one of Spain’s most recognized sports historians (supporter of Real's rival Atlético Madrid), has explained in one of his writings how two of Barcelona's players in that game assured him they had never received any kind of pressure of the authorities in order to lose the match.
Those players are José Escolá, who played the 90 minutes that day, and Domingo Balmanya - very assiduous commentator on the media, hardly the secretive guy-, who didn’t play but was at Old Chamartín with his club mates.
The only true thing among this mish-mash of made-up tales is the infernal atmosphere created by the Whites' fans (whistles were distributed among the spectators at the pitch's entrance). This is quite understandable taking into account the first match circumstances, with two clearly illegal goals conceded to Barcelona and a valid goal taken from Madrid with the excuse that the first half was already over (though no one has heard the whistle). The public's pressure in the second match, combined with Real Madrid’s impressive scoring ability resulted in a great match that to this day fills us with pride and stimulates the imagination of some in order to try and hide their shame.
putogusiluz8
The Pale One
So Higuain won't be playing. Does this mean Mourinho will play Lass?
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Neil1984
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Interestingly a quick google search found that for me:
"Whiter Thank You Think" is a series of articles written by my good friend Mario Gòmez who runs a Real Madrid Spanish blog called Fans del Real Madrid.
Mario attempts to correct some of the misconceptions around Real Madrid in general and dives into the club's rivalry with Barcelona and the whole thing with Franco.
He hardly offers an unbiased opinion. Interestingly, wikipedia lists the half time score at 1 all, which was what I also understood it to be.
Have you a better source for me than a fanboy blog?
"Whiter Thank You Think" is a series of articles written by my good friend Mario Gòmez who runs a Real Madrid Spanish blog called Fans del Real Madrid.
Mario attempts to correct some of the misconceptions around Real Madrid in general and dives into the club's rivalry with Barcelona and the whole thing with Franco.
He hardly offers an unbiased opinion. Interestingly, wikipedia lists the half time score at 1 all, which was what I also understood it to be.
Have you a better source for me than a fanboy blog?
Beast
The Observer
Neil , the facts like the formation of Civil Guard, Catalan language ban, Barca & Bilbao dominance proven by track records , Real losing to Bilbao at the final ,Real winning 8-0, the witnesses are not an opinion mate nor it is a point of view but facts and history that cannot be tempered or changed it's a common knowledge my friend
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Neil1984
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To be fair, a lot of this "evidence" is circumstancial.
Again, I have read a few times that it was 1-1 at half time, the only source I can find through google (I'm in work so can't be thorough) is wikipedia, which also says 1-1. I will take wikipedia over a fanboy blog for starters.
Real losing to Bilbao is circumstancial and isn't proof of anything. That is like saying that because O.J Simpson hasn't been accused of murder since, that he was clearly innocent.
Again, I'm happy to be corrected on this, but would appreciate a more reputable source that a Madrid fan boy.
Beast
The Observer
Is the independent good enough and credible source for you ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-el-clasico-1829528.html?action=Gallery&ino=3
to quote from the text behind the picture
"They stepped onto the pitch at Chamartín Stadium determined to earn a victory and sealed a spectacular 8-0 score by the end of the first half. "
As i said mate it's Catalan lies , Catalans were never known to be good losers through history
Pablo
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You dont need 2 guards infront of defense. Busquets will do fine. Madrid will most likely have the same 'attitude' as Mourinho has with Inter here. Defending first. If Pellegrinis Madrid last time here had 38% possession of ball then in case of Mourinho you can cut it in half. Just give the damn ball to Messi and you are top of the table.
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Jordzibob
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So we've established neither side is whiter than white, Jonathon is overconfident as fuck, and had a history lesson while we're at it.
Good stuff
So Higuain not starting then? That's a bit of a blow isnt it? No sarcasm or snyde intended, I would of just thought it represented a significant blow to Madrid's attacking options.
Good stuff
So Higuain not starting then? That's a bit of a blow isnt it? No sarcasm or snyde intended, I would of just thought it represented a significant blow to Madrid's attacking options.
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