Erling Haaland
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Fati_Future_BallonDor
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He fits our style just fine. He doesn't fit our finances.
Thats unfortunately the biggest problem.
Rubbish again. Its not about Barca DNA. Look at the most successful teams over the last decade:
Cristiano - Benzema - Bale
Mane - Firmino - Salah
Neymar - Suarez - Messi
Bayern (bit of an outlier for different reasons).
All playing with goalscoring wingers and a mobile #9. Thats the optimum for me. But I get that its not always possible, and Frenkie+Haaland would be damn nice. But we are not doomed if we dont get Haaland.
All our "wide players" are either not finishers (Dembele, Trincao, Coutinho) or they don't like playing in the box (Messi, Griezmann). Based on our current options and your assessment that Haaland can only play with playmakers, Haaland is perfect.
Ansu Fati hasn't even scored 15 goals in a season, he's been injured for more than half of this season, and you want to argue against the possibility of signing a 40 goals a year striker on the off chance that Ansu Fati might become world class? Come on.
Also Sancho scored 20~ goals last season, and is on track to score another 20 this season. He's more than just a playmaker...
Bobo32
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I am happy to get Haaland, but I think the conflict exists and is worth taking into account.
Eto'o was almost MVP in 2009. The team became worse without him because Ibra was the trade, but when Villa arrived, the team became better than with Eto'o, and the team was also worse with Suarez a few years later. Villa was a goal scorer, but not in the same dominant way as Eto'o, Suarez or Haaland. He was a bit smoother on the ball, and Villa-Messi-Pedro was the best attack Barcelona ever had.
In a parallell universe where C.Ronaldo was bought in 2008 and banged in goals for Barcelona, everyone would say he was needed and a great buy and so on, but I doubt the team would do better with him than they did with Pedro...
4-3-3 has been the most succesful formation for Barcelona this season by the way.
Fair enough.
And precisely why I hope that Laporta starts with "cleansing" our attack, which is a dysfunctional mess.
soul24rage
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I think the key difference is Messi of 2011 and Messi of 2021. 2011 Messi was willing to make more runs off the ball in goalscoring situations. 2021 Messi is much more comfortable having a natural 9 to occupy the CBs and do more playmaking. Haaland is everything Messi would like as a 9.
I would also argue that the 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 has been the most successful formation this season. If we are playing a 3-4-3 next season, Haaland would fit in great alongside Messi imo.
Also this is of course, assuming that Messi stays in the team.
serghei
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No doubt. 2011 Messi would just take over Haaland's position with frequent runs and moves in the box. And would probably drive Haaland out of the team just as he did with Ibrahimovic.
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bismp
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Then maybe we sould have kept Ibra and sold Messi. Or maybe try to make it work, even though it was clear to everybody that Ibra was not fitting the system at all.
The mistake was Pep's, because he wanted Eto'o out. Had he stayed, we would probably have back to back UCLs.
But yeah, let's blame Messi for everything, it's most people's hobby nowadays.
And by the way, Ibra has been always praising Messi, I wonder why...He should be sour for driving him out of the team
I see no difference with Bar?a journos to be honest. Maybe the standard is very low in spanish sport newspapers (not that it is high abroad).
I agree with you on our former attacks. The sad reality is that there is no talent on the Villa, Eto'o, Suarez plain to name instead of Haaland right now. Of course we could function with a different goalscoring striker than Haaland but it is incredibly hard to name one.
BTW, Messi-Ronaldo would be something if their ego's could handle it.
It's crazy how there are almost 0 standout talents for front 3 positions in the market right now. Mbappe and Haaland, that's it. Fucking hell where's the Neymar and Hazard coming along?
And what the hell is up with Brazil? From producing multiple superstar forwards each decade to just producing Neymar in the whole of 2010s.
And what the hell is up with Brazil? From producing multiple superstar forwards each decade to just producing Neymar in the whole of 2010s.
2 Standout talents are perfectly normal for a generation, your standards are just unrealistic.
Besides, there are(or will be) several other good talents, just wait.
Bobo32
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Yeah, I had some hopes for it a year ago or so when there were some rumours. A Haaland-Messi duo could be even better.
Would be great to see something like that for a year or two, but it's probably not the best way to build in the long run to be dependent on spotting the new Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho or Haaland. These players tend to come with some negatives as well as positives, and makes it harder to build a great team.
Bernardo Silva is a star player that I think Barcelona missed. I wonder if Olmo wouldn't be a very good alternative for the LW position... And it's important to keep in mind that a player like Pedro was good enough to be a starter in the best team of all time, and that players like Tello or "the wonderful adam's apple" with the name I forgot, was good enough to get playing time in the same team... You do not need "standout talent" on every position to have a great team.
malvolio
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They went to 2002 WC with Rivaldo, Kaka, Ronaldinho, R9 - all better than Neymar. All eventually winning the Ballon D'or.
Plus Denilson, who was not too shabby also.
Don't know what's happening but Brazil and Argentina are not producing talent like they did.
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