Ernesto Valverde - V1

[Neymessi]

I remember how everyone used to make excuses for EVERY wrong thing EV did. We didn't create chances? Of no no that was just Ev's masterplan to invite pressure absorb it and counter. Oh iniesta is playing like shit because of too many minutes? No EV isn't overplaying him. The lineup is crap? No its perfect man management. La liga can eat shit imo. There are very few matches where we were actually awesome but that unbeaten tag which we are defnitely going to lose soon masked it. Don't talk about domestic double as if we already won it. At this point its 50 50 to win it.

RM is on course to win their 3rd cl consecutively and even if they don't they are the better club of the modern era we are just a fucking meme who have been banking on "messi + luck" all season.

I will post a detailed, non-meltdown post about this whole fiasco later but I don't want any psuedo-intellectuals in the future to tell me how I am hypocritial or spoilt and all. I have had to sugarcoat a lot of stuff because apparently I was spoilt. No more sugarcoating. I didn't say this before coz I wouldn't have heard the end of it but I never fancied us going through past semis even if we matched liverpool. Also we were extremely lucky against chelsea and the only reason why we reached qf is just luck. Should have lost by a thin margin to chelsea in r16 and saved faces.

 

[blaug]

Sack this guy and bring in Setien in the summer

 

[Total-Football]

Ťthe elephant in the room is not valverde or anyone.. it is our full abandonment of our identity. We do it exactly like bayern and real madrid now. Getting the manager who would rationalizd, maximize the gains from the squad at hand. When madrid recruit they dont think about style, all they did was antagonizing barca (Mourinho) or recruiting the biggest name available (ancelotti). When bayern recruit, they do exactly that, albeit demonstrating efficency and ruthlessness in the process of recruiting. What set us apart was giving great deal of importance to the traditions of the club, style wise mainly. Valverde was a rational choice (even succcessful after all if you look at it from all angles),but his coming was a major shift in the identity of the club. When we played bayern and lost 7-0 to bayern, one could still recognize the barca in a team that was inhalated. Nowadays (by nowadays i definitely include tbe clueless one enrique) you can barely recognize barca in a cluster of decent teams even if we win 7 -0.

The future is even more uncertain. Sacking Valverde is both unfair and extreamly unlikely, which means the distance between our body and soul will get even bigger.

The moment the heart of the team went from midfield to various places the moment i couldnt recognize our team. Moments of sucess occured, occur and will keep occuring most certainly, that will always put us in momentary oblivion, and will make us forget what made barca different to the rest of them. What made barca barca and not some players brought together to do a job.

 

[denn]

Messi > Valverde

WE NEED OUR IDENTITY BACK

 

[El Guaje]

Ťthe elephant in the room is not valverde or anyone.. it is our full abandonment of our identity. We do it exactly like bayern and real madrid now. Getting the manager who would rationalizd, maximize the gains from the squad at hand. When madrid recruit they dont think about style, all they did was antagonizing barca (Mourinho) or recruiting the biggest name available (ancelotti). When bayern recruit, they do exactly that, albeit demonstrating efficency and ruthlessness in the process of recruiting. What set us apart was giving great deal of importance to the traditions of the club, style wise mainly. Valverde was a rational choice (even succcessful after all if you look at it from all angles),but his coming was a major shift in the identity of the club. When we played bayern and lost 7-0 to bayern, one could still recognize the barca in a team that was inhalated. Nowadays (by nowadays i definitely include tbe clueless one enrique) you can barely recognize barca in a cluster of decent teams even if we win 7 -0.

The future is even more uncertain. Sacking Valverde is both unfair and extreamly unlikely, which means the distance between our body and soul will get even bigger.

The moment the heart of the team went from midfield to various places the moment i couldnt recognize our team. Moments of sucess occured, occur and will keep occuring most certainly, that will always put us in momentary oblivion, and will make us forget what made barca different to the rest of them. What made barca barca and not some players brought together to do a job.

He had 4-1 and lost 3-0 to fucking Roma. He should be sacked, but he wont. And also if we keep him, its not like we wont keep going further away from our style. I dont think he will change.

 

[gasgas]

There are more answers. We run less because we have the ball more than any other team. That's one.

You are probably only looking for negative ones only.

Possession today was very close 54-48
And there were periods when Roma had more possession and ran more

 

[Stoichkov1]

Possession today was very close 54-48
And there were periods when Roma had more possession and ran more

Every team runs more than us, unfortunately all we do in training are rondos and we aren't even good at keeping possession anymore

 

[footyfan]

Cant wait to hear what RMUReborn has to say about Valverde and Messi

 

[JamDav1982]

I asked on another board after the Eibar game and I think I posted something similar here too...

I asked: “How long before the players get tired of Valverde’s tactics and stop playing for him?”

I expected it to happen next season though and not in the middle of a Champions League game.

I think him going in with the same team and tactics that have proven to be mediocre recently is the straw that broke the camels back.

Dont think it was them being tired of the tactics as for majority of time they dont play like did tonight. Certainly not from start of game all that often.

Just that they did not like the approach and went about looking disintersted and sulking about it.

Every team runs more than us, unfortunately all we do in training are rondos and we aren't even good at keeping possession anymore

Haha stop believing what you see Barca do on those videos is the extent of training.

Cant wait to hear what RMUReborn has to say about Valverde and Messi

He will just start going on about Griezmann.

 

[DonAK]

The rondos is just the warm-up lol. Even Real Madrid do that. They don't show you the actual training. They're closed for a reason.

 

[Stoichkov1]

Haha stop believing what you see Barca do on those videos is the extent of training.

There must be a reason we run so little compared to the other teams.

Do our players even go to the gym or run for some mins in training sessions like every other team in the world?

We're not talking about 1-2km difference, I'm talking about a 10km difference which is big in football.

 

[ASordidGod]

With all this coming out is looks like they were sulking.

Horror show from EV but the players need to man the fuck up as well and show more fight than that. If they downed tools due to EV calamity then it is even worse.

Said in chat but there was an air of entitled fuckers not prepared to fight about that team tonight.

I'm out the loop I guess, but what do you mean by sulking? Has something come out, whispers from changing room etc?

 

[BBZ8800]

I haven't read all posts, there is too much posts on all threads.
Anyway, some guys will say this match is a proof how workhorses don't work.

I am a fan of workhorses, but this lineup is a shit.
Roberto-Semedo is a new thing.
Paulinho didn't play, Gomes didn't play.

This was a nice workhorses' lineup:
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1222139/Preview/Spain-La-Liga-2017-2018-Real-Madrid-Barcelona

In this lineup we had 4 classical CMs.
Paulinho is a central player, Raki is a central player, Busi is a central player, Iniesta is a central player.

Today, with Bob, he hogged a touchline.
We basically played 433 with Roberto being some RM-RW hybrid.

I am not saying that tactics with workhorses is a perfect one.
But please, don't take this match as an example of tactics with workhorses.
This was a total shit where EV tried to close down their wings (and not allow too many crosses for Dzeko) and he left a middle totally exposed and we were outrun and outplayed in the middle where we had only 3 players, all of them old, slow turtles in granny Iniesta, Raki and Busi.

Not to mention of a lack of stamina, lack of rotation, lack of a mental strength.
With rotations and with playing "a true workhorses" tactics, things would probably ended differently.

Anyway, this is on EV and his rookie mistakes.
He has never managed a team fighting for a CL.
He has never managed a team fighting for 3 trophies.
He has never managed Messi and similar players who don't want to get rotated.

We paid the price tonight.

Maybe the next time we will be wiser with our next coach.
It doesn't mean that ALL rookie coaches will mess things up.
But majority of them eventually will mess things up.

 

[JamDav1982]

There must be a reason we run so little compared to the other teams.

Do our players even go to the gym or run for some mins in training sessions like every other team in the world?

We're not talking about 1-2km difference, I'm talking about a 10km difference which is big in football.

More of ball and older players that dont press as much would think.

I'm out the loop I guess, but what do you mean by sulking? Has something come out, whispers from changing room etc?

Just what I thought players looked like. Could be wrong but no fight about them.

 

[Stoichkov1]

More of ball and older players that dont press as much would think.

Juve doesn't press and they run 110 kms like every other team.