Ernesto Valverde - V1

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They are all on fault, and all being called for their performances and rarely people defend their bad performance. In addition one is leaving the club, the other we are bringing a replacement
Pique is to blame and getting blamed all the time for forcing himself to play, why wouldn't we blame Messi for that? And tbf with Pique we have shit situation in CB, Vermaelen injured half of the year, Mina is huge unknown and doesn't seem coach rate him.




Why many coaches failed to do so with Messi? it isn't like EV is the only one who failed to convince him to rest.



No one has said Messi is the problem, what we are saying he is a part of it. Messi is supposed to be the difference maker. If people thinking we are wasting Messi years because he win league but not CL, then there is a question about why Messi have been bad in 2nd play off round for 4 of 5 years by his standard?
He need to realize his age, he need to realize he need to tweek his game for the team. The team itself need to evolve and get upgrades. You can't isolate one thing from the other.
We aren't gonna win with shit coaching, we aren't gonna win without upgrade in midfield. but we also not gonna win if our best player keep ball watching and walking the pitch for 90 minutes when it matters most in the CL

Well here's the thing..this time we had Roma and a easy way to qualify to the SF..and draw anyone other than liverpool(could be 50-50) and we are sure to beat them..but what does EV do..not only are players tired due to overplaying..but he puts up a defensive formation..and i was optimistic thinking HT he would make some changes ..but you know what..he did fuck all..same with Lucho the last couple of seasons.. and yet messi gets blamed even though our usual triangles dont exist whatsoever..

The thing is in CL we need luck and also a good tactical coach and a good squad rotation esp if we are challenging for the league, not just a terrific player.. But in our case we dont have any rotation, nor do we have a good tactical coach in the last few years, getting pawned for playing like a pub team trying to defend a lead is not what we do!!

 

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You are quite right, but people just want to be angry because Real Madrid is winning. That means that no matter how bad circumstances/squad/conditions Valverde was handled he is a fraud if Real wins the CL for the third time and he did a great job if they don't.

I know that Reals results matter for us, but it is really cringeworthy that Valverde gets way more stick when Real has good results, and way more praise when they fail.
All in all: Half of this forum will call for his sacking if Real beats Bayern and Liverpool, while only about 1/5 will do if Real turns out trophy-less this season.

Hey i was all in for his usually good tactics...i mean defending for a while after taking a lead during a game is fine considering our previously porous backline. but seeing his tactics against Roma where he didn't even make a change till way too late even though we were getting ripped apart..am not sure anymore!!

Plus someone should tell our board or whoever concerned we aren't fighting for the Copa and sacrifice it for the CL!!

 

[Laplacian]

Can't wait to see our 100M+ signing sit on the bench, literally our only true winger in the team, and come in on the 80th minute again.

 

[KingLeo10]

do not blame my X in Y stat just because your X in Y stats are the really stupid ones.

If RM wins UCL again this year and 3peat. who will give shit about 3 in 15? All the world will know and remember is 3peat in UCL.

1 UCL in 7 years is what matters to the Barca board who decides Valverde's future. why would the Barca board give a shit about Unite and Bayern who are not expected to win UCL every year like Barca.

you are legitimately being obtuse about this.

if we're saying 1 CL in 7 years matters regarding valverde's future, why not 3 in 10 years or 4 in 12 years. if you truly want to make it about valverde's future, you say he has 0 CL in 1 year and we went out of CL disastrously in the 1 year under him so far in CL. you don't need X in Y stats to see we need to replace valverde. our playing style and his management of tactics and young stars is plenty evidence.

the numbers for other historic clubs were to drive home the point that X in Y years is stupid. barca fans are on a meltdown since real began winning CLs. it's like people thought the pep era was going to last perpetually.

 

[viper76]

Valverde is a clueless manager and dose not know how to manage a big team like barca playing almost the same 11 players for the whole season has cost us the CL and he will never change, next season will be a copy paste of this season .

God help us .

 

[Barcaman]

You forgot "fraud". Also, tell us more from your crystal ball since you know he will never change.

God help us indeed. Winning a double after many "fans" dismissed Barca entirely (and some even wished Messi to move to Shity) is sooo awful.

 

[Raketa10]

Miguel Rico (renowned journalist): “Barça want more physicality in midfield, but they are forgetting that the greatest ever footballer, who plays for them, is just 1.69m tall. Football is played on the ground. It is not like basketball.”

Mig Rico: “Xavi and Iniesta weren’t physical or tall. But look at what they accomplished. The style of play needed to be successful doesn’t need physicality. Our best ever period came under those two midfielders.”

Mig Rico: “Why are there doubts over Arthur? He’s 1.72m tall, so he’s taller than Xavi and Iniesta. But he’s a very skillful and talented player that will suit our style of play. Physicality isn’t a necessity.”

Mig Rico: “Look at Riqui Puig. He is only 1.69m tall but he dominated the big Chelsea lads in the UYL final. Why? Because he has Barça DNA and he played our way. And we won 3-0.”

I agree with this guy 100%!

 

[DonAK]

Not bad to have physical players, but if you're sacrificing technique and skill for physicality then it just won't work out too well.

 

[Joan]

I agree with this guy 100%!

So, there is 'Xavi and Iniesta' argument. It's true, dominance of pure technique. Can you think of any other relevant example?

Nota bene: one could argue about those two being the best midfielders ever, not to mention their cooperation

Hoping for that era to happen again is wishful thinking.

What I agree about is that technique probably is the most important aspect and one most footballers lack, but you need strong players. We've lost enough games not to learn that lesson.

but, here it is once again: Can you think of any other relevant example?

 

[Barca83]

So, there is 'Xavi and Iniesta' argument. It's true, dominance of pure technique. Can you think of any other relevant example?

Nota bene: one could argue about those two being the best midfielders ever, not to mention their cooperation

Hoping for that era to happen again is wishful thinking.

What I agree about is that technique probably is the most important aspect and one most footballers lack, but you need strong players. We've lost enough games not to learn that lesson.

but, here it is once again: Can you think of any other relevant example?

-Silva/KDB
-Modric/Kroos/Isco

 

[DonAK]

So, there is 'Xavi and Iniesta' argument. It's true, dominance of pure technique. Can you think of any other relevant example?

Nota bene: one could argue about those two being the best midfielders ever, not to mention their cooperation

Hoping for that era to happen again is wishful thinking.

What I agree about is that technique probably is the most important aspect and one most footballers lack, but you need strong players. We've lost enough games not to learn that lesson.

but, here it is once again: Can you think of any other relevant example?

We've had Rakitic in our midfield and still gotten overrun.

Doesn't he qualify as a physical player? The issue is that most teams that have physical players have ones that are also gifted technically, and those are hard to find.

Barca's midfield issue is not that much about being outmuscled as it's to do with being overrun due to three static and slow midfielders. Busquets is fine alone, but to add Rakitic and Iniesta into the mix whose lateral movement defensively or simply closing down leaves a lot to be desired is the biggest issue IMO.

 

[Barcilliant]

I am dreading going next season and preparing for another qf exit.

The writing is on the wall but the board can't see it.

 

[BarçaBarça]

I am beginning to have a feeling that this isn't only about Real Madrid anymore, but about CL in general. Would most in here really trade league titles for CL-glory?
The general sentiment in here seems to be that 1 CL in the next 3 seasons is worth more than 3 consecutive league titles or something along those lines!

That is of course among those forum members who are realistic enough not to expect a CL+League title every year and thinks that everyone who can't deliver that is a fraud (and I must say a quite big number of fans seems to hold this view).

 

[Barcaman]

Vast majority of fans value La Liga and Copa above Champions League.
To win La Liga you have to ve consistent and deliver throughout a season. And we did more even by beating Madrid in h2hs.

Recent Madrid success in CL skewed that perception as it's hard to stand them watch lift that trophy.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

I prefer CL because we struggle to won it. We never seem to have the intensity to win it.

I agree. Problem is our midfield speed. Raki/Busi and Ini was just too slow together.