European Super League

[ZeRoberto]

[MENTION=16811]Adversus[/MENTION]
FIFA and UEFA will be forced to accept decision of big clubs. World Cup or Euro would lose a lot of revenue without players from 12 clubs. On the other hand UEFA can kick them from every competition but does it matter? According to estimations TV rights for Super League will give clubs more money than now they would get for winning domestic league and CL in same season.

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

Honestly not sure how this is going to work.

If UEFA and the national leagues give any player who plays in the Super League a lifetime ban from their competitions then how do any of these teams develop players by loaning them to smaller clubs or sell players that don't work out when there's only 19 other clubs who are allowed to buy them.

They can pay them a lot of money to leave the UEFA pyramid but it would have to be enough for their entire career otherwise even financially it wouldn't make sense to the players.

It's a bit like the threat they will hold their own world cup. They don't have the size to support their own football structure.

Yea it's not happening. English Government and even Royals are taking Action to stop it.

 

[Rassvet]

Yea it's not happening. English Government and even Royals are taking Action to stop it.

Meghan and Harry gonna come out in favor of it now

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

[MENTION=16811]Adversus[/MENTION]
FIFA and UEFA will be forced to accept decision of big clubs. World Cup or Euro would lose a lot of revenue without players from 12 clubs. On the other hand UEFA can kick them from every competition but does it matter? According to estimations TV rights for Super League will give clubs more money than now they would get for winning domestic league and CL in same season.

Government will stop airing the super league on their country's. What then?

 

[Adversus]

[MENTION=16811]Adversus[/MENTION]
FIFA and UEFA will be forced to accept decision of big clubs. World Cup or Euro would lose a lot of revenue without players from 12 clubs. On the other hand UEFA can kick them from every competition but does it matter? According to estimations TV rights for Super League will give clubs more money than now they would get for winning domestic league and CL in same season.

I don't see how allowing players from these clubs to compete in their competitions benefit FIFA or UEFA as what would happen is eventually these clubs would then seek to share in that revenue too as compensation for their players.

It would make far more sense for UEFA and FIFA to make it a clean split and force the players to choose otherwise FIFA and UEFA would lose all their power.

Would that damage revenue in the short term. Maybe but fans aren't going to not watch the world cup just because some players aren't there.

Plus FIFA and UEFA have already come out and said that they would ban these players so unless they change their mind that's the current situation. Personally as an Everton fan I hope they are kicked out of the premier league. To be honest I had long since given up hope we would win the league but if they are ejected it would make football more interesting to me as we may now actually have a chance.

 

[BBZ8800]

People will soon be fed up of seeing Barcelona vs Juventus for the 10th time in four years. Yes the group stages of the CL needs an update but the novelty of the same teams playing each other in a European league will soon wear off too.

Also away attendance is bound to be non-existent after a while with all the travel costs.

You are right.

But we play against RM and Atletico each season and nobody is ever bored.
Actually, people love when we face them 4 times in one season.

I don't see how Barca vs Man Utd could get more boring than Barca vs Seville or Barca vs Dynamo Kiev.

Also, there will be 2 groups of 10 teams as a group stage and then quarter finals.

So, on average, Barca will play vs Utd once in 2 years (one year they will be in the same group, in the other one, they won't, and since they won't qualify to quarters, they won't face eachother in 50% of seasons).

It can't be worse than Barca vs Getafes 30 times per season + 10 times in the early CDR rounds.
Nobody is interested in that apart from 5000 die hard Barca/football fanatics.

 

[BBZ8800]

This will actually kill the sport. Football has been the greatest sport in the world because of the passionate fans rooted in the love for their club and the game. This will alienate them and instead market to people who have never cared about the sport. It's an absolute disgrace.

I have wrote before: football has already been killed.

It works well only for Spain, England and co.
Former greats like Ajax, Red Star Belgrade, Steaua need to play several qualifying rounds vs Liverpool, Roma and co to reach a group stage, while the 4th placed EPL team gets a direct place, one qualifying round, easy draw and refs on their side.

Only 5 days ago in Uefa game Villareal vs Dinamo Zagreb, 2 handballs and 2 VAR offside goals = all 4 tricky decisions went into Villareal's favor.
Why?
Because they are rich, have more fans and generate more income.
UEFA want rich teams in semis and not poor Eastern european teams who don't bring any fans or income.
For a long time, football is not a fair sport but a rigged-show-arena for rich spectators.

So, Uefa/CL was barely playable and fair once you move away from Spain/England/Germany/Italy.
So, it is not as if football will be ruined by SL.
It has been ruined 20 years ago for 90% of European countries.

The only ones who will get ruined by a SL are midtable teams in La Liga and EPL.
Do you think that SL will make any difference for a Slovenian, Croatian or Czech first division?
No.
They barely patricipated in a CL and now no one will call them now either.
UEFA, fans and money don't care about them either way.

So, basically, SL is a problem only for La liga/EPL.
And those two have indirectly killed all other smaller countries for years with 4 CL spots, money and refereeing in their favor, so I won't cry about them too much.

 

[BBZ8800]

About teams outside of 20 clubs in ESL, well, CL will die or change.
Leicester, Lazio, Sevilla will either play a CL and fight for promotion spots for ESL.

Or, ESL will create a league level 2 for Ajax, Seville, Lazio, Roma, Leicester, Monaco etc who will again fight for ESL spots.

Further, Netherlands and Belgium already agreed to create a new league together because domestic leagues are dying and a domestic cups died 20 years ago (except for 5000 die hard Barca fans who think that winning CDR still has some importance).

In Eastern Europe, for the last 20 years, Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Bosnia and a few other countries tried to create a Balkan Superleague because nobody is watching domestic leagues, the quality is horrible and sponsors aren't investing in domestic leagues anymore.

But they didn't create a league yet due to fears of fans fighting because those countries were in a war 30 years ago.

So, we were already on a verge of 2 superleagues (Belgium-Netherlands) and on Balkan.

So, again, domestic leagues are still interesting only in EPL/Spain/Italy.
In other countries, a cup has died around 2000s, their leagues are slowly dying due to everyone watching only CL+EPL on a tv and due to their domestic clubs not participating in a CL because Uefa handed 4-5 spots to England/Spain/Italy.

So, again, outside of top5 leagues, football is dead for 10 years.
And about ESL, there will surely eventually be some sort of ESL-Uefa cup level as an entrance mechanism for ESL.
Or, a CL where ESL teams won't play will be = a new Uefa cup-level competition and it will be a qualifying competition for 3-4 ESL spots each season.

 

[malvolio]

fucking [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] dropping truth bombs left and right on this subject. right on the money this time

 

[Morten]

In terms of maximizing profits, wouldnt the endgame here to go global with it? Games all over the world.

Would suck for local fans though.

 

[Badger]

We're a disgrace and have been for the last ten years. Just give Sevilla the title.

 

[Messi983]

Also this is a big problem for fans and traveling. I don't know any american sports fans that travel across the country to watch their team play. I highly doubt these fans will constantly travel to other countries and greater distances. With COVID hitting Europe harder, who knows when these fans could even afford to watch matches live. What makes the sport so attractive (at least to me) is that I can pay around 100 euros and get a damn good seat at a Barca game, while there is ZERO chance I even get a ticket for a Lakers or Rams game with 200 USD. Ticket prices obviously will increase due to the whole spectacle of it being a super league.

How many fans are now traveling from Barcelona to away CL games in Ukraine, Greece etc.? Not many bother doing that except for semi-finals or maybe quarter-finals.

If anything I think more Barca fans would go to Anfield, Old Trafford etc. even if it would be a relatively irrelevant "group stage" game. Pretty sure Perez and co. have included % of tickets going to away fans or something in contracts.

But don't know why we're even talking about this since nobody will even show up to watch those games anyway.

 

[fergus90]

How many fans are now traveling from Barcelona to away CL games in Ukraine, Greece etc.? Not many bother doing that except for semi-finals or maybe quarter-finals.

If anything I think more Barca fans would go to Anfield, Old Trafford etc. even if it would be a relatively irrelevant "group stage" game. Pretty sure Perez and co. have included % of tickets going to away fans or something in contracts.

But don't know why we're even talking about this since nobody will even show up to watch those games anyway.

Barcelona fans don't or Spanish fans in general, you get less than 1000 away fans at El Clasico. But for some countries e.g. England and Germany it is routine to follow your club up and down the country every week including the European nights.

If the Super League guarantees a cap on ticket prices for away fans then yes attendance could be good, but no way your average working-class person who spends a good % of his wages following his club will afford to travel around Europe every fortnight to watch his team.

Soon enough you will have neutral attendances or corporates every week like the CL final (which the allocation there is also a disgrace) because even the countries with the travelling fans can't afford it.

 

[BBZ8800]

What will be the motivation for middle table teams in this ESL? Local leagues offer the chance to play in Europe to these teams, which is an actual achievable goal for them, they have their shot at glory...

But just imagine any of the big clubs in the ESL sitting in 7th or 8th place knowing damn well that their spot is secured due to being founders... They have effectively nothing to play for, unlike a team like Betis or West Ham (currently near CL)...

Superleague division 2, with top 3-4-5 teams being promoted to a div1 each season and vice versa.

Or if a CL will exist, then they'll want to promote to a CL to earn ESL div 1/2 spots.

So, till now it worked like this:
= West Ham/Sevilla competed for top 4 to qualify for a CL

In the future:
= Sevilla will compete for top4 in La liga to qualify for ESL division 2 (which offers a chance to reach div1 eventually)
= or if a CL will exist (without ESL teams) => Seville will fight in La liga to qualify for CL spots, and top spots in a CL will work as a qualifying mechanism for ESL div1

Basically, till now, domestic leagues were qualifying mechanisms for CL spots, with a CL as a holy grail/end game goal.
In the future, it will change into ESL div1 (or div2) being an end goal for every team but with some different qualifying mechanisms which we will found out in the future.

Principle will be the same (the end goal will be = to reach the competition where all the money and prestige is => ESL instead of a CL).
Only the road towards that level will be slightly different than today.

 

[Messi983]

Although only 12 founding clubs have transcended there will finally be 15 and that figure will be distributed among them but, as circulated yesterday in England and Mundo Deportivo was able to confirm by sources familiar with the agreement, there will not be an equitable distribution between all of them but there will be four levels in depending on their economic potential and what they have generated in recent years.

In this way, Real Madrid, Bar?a and Manchester United appear in this first level along with a few other clubs that will allow them to enter 350 million euros already before the end of this season. There are three other levels with 225, 112.5 and 100 'kilos' for the equipment as a fixed entry to invest in facilities.

4 LEVELS WITH FIXED INPUT

Club level 1: 350 million euros (Real Madrid, Bar?a and Manchester United among them)

Club level 2: 225 million euros

Club level 3: 112.5 million euros

Club level 4: 100 million euros

TOTAL: 3,500 million euros

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...obraran-ya-350-millones-por-la-superliga.html