FC Barcelona B (Barça Atlètic)

[FCBarca]

You blame him for all of that? Really?

1. Pep - Reasons given for leaving were nothing to do with Rosell and they wanted to keep him.
2. Cruyff - He did get rid of him, but would it worked to have those two bickering in the club. Most likely those who voted Rosell knew Cruyff would be booted.
3. Qatar - to compete at the top level the club needs sponsorship
4. Abidal - You blame this on Rosell? You think others wanted to keep him but Rossell said no?
5. Valdes - Leaving is nothing to do with Rosell.
6. Eusebio - Another debate.
7. No CB's? - Both Pep and Tito take the blame for this
8. Youth 'de emphasis'? Tito's fault?
9. Thiago - If he leaves because of clause then that is a mix of Rossell/Tito fault.

Cant blame Rosell for everything.

Pep, too classy to ruffle feather or rock the proverbial boat on his exit. Plus, it would've put Tito in a bad position going in. Pep's reign is atypical for a coach at Barcelona, like RM, the board has the biggest say in what goes on. Laporta believed in Cruyff, Txiki & Pep who all subscribed to the same school of footballing thought which made it smooth. Everyone predicted he'd leave once Rosell came in and began to dismantle, we already see that few from the Pep era remain

Cruyff is a club legend and the grand wizard architect for the success the club enjoys today, he's been unceremoniously binned because he's loyal to Laporta and clashes with Rosell's agenda. There is no bigger living legend for the club and he's been shabbily treated by Rosell. It's nothing less than a disgrace that purports to be Més

Barcelona were competing at the top and winning against everyone without a kit sponsor so the argument that sponsorship was needed for that much less color toner is wrong - less has been won under Qatar

Abidal's dismissal was absolutely a disgrace, completely unbefitting of the club and we've got a timeline of comments from the board ahead of it, as well. Eric defied the odds as well as the predictions of the board, none of the team and I wager Tito himself wanted this to go down as it did. Even Abidal's comments after the fact belies the bad blood that exists on the topic as it made no sense. Who other than Rosell does it fall on then?

Valdes. Rosell & his board firing the keeper coach and playing negotiations through the media had everything to do with his impending departure. Can't be a coincidence that suddely players, coaches & icons suddenly start taking off after Rosell comes in

Eusebio. It's not a debate, Eusebio is poor, B team has been poor and no one has developed their game under Eusebio. Throw in the fact that Oscar Garcia was binned (Another Cruyff loyalist) as well.

Pep actually signed a CB, Rosell turned around and sold him without Pep's approval. Tito asked for Thiago Silva, he ended up at PSG. Coaches don't determine transfers at Barcelona, the board does

Youth de-emphasis has to have come from the board. Tito was a youth team coach and Pep's right hand man who were using youth players for the previous 4 seasons in abundance. Suddenly it's de-emphasized once Pep leaves, youth players sent out on loan and contracts for youth players are curiously structured so as to make sales more feasible. A first year coach like Tito doesn't have that sort of autonomy under a heavy handed Rosell & his board. This is a club directive

Pep prioritized Thiago despite wanting Cesc and that showed in his minutes. Showing up on the cover of MD that Thiago is for sale has little to do with Tito, that's a board directive

I don't blame Rosell for the weather or lack of world peace but most issues with Barcelona, sure he's fully deserving of the blame

 

[JamDav1982]

QUOTE=FCBarca;1034717]Pep, too classy to ruffle feather or rock the proverbial boat on his exit. Plus, it would've put Tito in a bad position going in. Pep's reign is atypical for a coach at Barcelona, like RM, the board has the biggest say in what goes on. Laporta believed in Cruyff, Txiki & Pep who all subscribed to the same school of footballing thought which made it smooth. Everyone predicted he'd leave once Rosell came in and began to dismantle, we already see that few from the Pep era remain

Cruyff is a club legend and the grand wizard architect for the success the club enjoys today, he's been unceremoniously binned because he's loyal to Laporta and clashes with Rosell's agenda. There is no bigger living legend for the club and he's been shabbily treated by Rosell. It's nothing less than a disgrace that purports to be Més

Barcelona were competing at the top and winning against everyone without a kit sponsor so the argument that sponsorship was needed for that much less color toner is wrong - less has been won under Qatar

Abidal's dismissal was absolutely a disgrace, completely unbefitting of the club and we've got a timeline of comments from the board ahead of it, as well. Eric defied the odds as well as the predictions of the board, none of the team and I wager Tito himself wanted this to go down as it did. Even Abidal's comments after the fact belies the bad blood that exists on the topic as it made no sense. Who other than Rosell does it fall on then?

Valdes. Rosell & his board firing the keeper coach and playing negotiations through the media had everything to do with his impending departure. Can't be a coincidence that suddely players, coaches & icons suddenly start taking off after Rosell comes in

Eusebio. It's not a debate, Eusebio is poor, B team has been poor and no one has developed their game under Eusebio. Throw in the fact that Oscar Garcia was binned (Another Cruyff loyalist) as well.

Pep actually signed a CB, Rosell turned around and sold him without Pep's approval. Tito asked for Thiago Silva, he ended up at PSG. Coaches don't determine transfers at Barcelona, the board does

Youth de-emphasis has to have come from the board. Tito was a youth team coach and Pep's right hand man who were using youth players for the previous 4 seasons in abundance. Suddenly it's de-emphasized once Pep leaves, youth players sent out on loan and contracts for youth players are curiously structured so as to make sales more feasible. A first year coach like Tito doesn't have that sort of autonomy under a heavy handed Rosell & his board. This is a club directive

Pep prioritized Thiago despite wanting Cesc and that showed in his minutes. Showing up on the cover of MD that Thiago is for sale has little to do with Tito, that's a board directive

I don't blame Rosell for the weather or lack of world peace but most issues with Barcelona, sure he's fully deserving of the blame[/QUOTE]

Pep - You are assuming that he lied about the reasons for leaving, you have no evidence that he did. He said he was mentally drained and was having trouble motivating the players - but you know better?

Cruyff - I agree its not good that he has gone but once people vote in Rossel it is practically impossible for him to stay.

Qatar - The money is needed and if it was not there it would mean a weaker team.

Abidal - The club gave him a new contract when diagnosed with cancer and supported him every step of the way. They should not have aid he gets a new contract the moment he plays again that was a mistake. They have offered him a job the moment his playing career is over. You make it sound like the doctors and coaches think he could carry on but Rosell decided to release him - not the case at all.

Valdes - Firing the GK coach made his decision? Again this is you fitting evidence together to fit your argument. It has been said by Valdes himself that he wants to try new things and new experiences - but you think he like Pep is a liar?

Eusebio - Being poor is a debate. The B team has promoted 6/7 players to the first team squad in the last two seasons.

Center backs - The best thing Rossel ever did was get rid of Peps CB he was a terrible signing. Pep never pushed for another CB after than and puched for Cesc and Alexis who were not really needed.

Youth demphasis? Based on what Thiago? I agree that situation not handled well but as I said probably 6/7 players been promoted to first team in two seasons is up there with anything Barcelona have done in recent years.

Almost all your points are guess work and putting two and two together and coming up with five.

 

[MessiDinho10]

Eusebio. It's not a debate, Eusebio is poor, B team has been poor and no one has developed their game under Eusebio. Throw in the fact that Oscar Garcia was binned (Another Cruyff loyalist) as well.

Youth de-emphasis has to have come from the board. Tito was a youth team coach and Pep's right hand man who were using youth players for the previous 4 seasons in abundance. Suddenly it's de-emphasized once Pep leaves, youth players sent out on loan and contracts for youth players are curiously structured so as to make sales more feasible. A first year coach like Tito doesn't have that sort of autonomy under a heavy handed Rosell & his board. This is a club directive.

We should try to get Oscar Garcia back, but I doubt he wants to coach te B-team or to work under Rosell.
Also, don't forget what the board is doing with Muniesa right now, it's a disgrace.

 

[JamDav1982]

We should try to get Oscar Garcia back, but I doubt he wants to coach te B-team or to work under Rosell.
Also, don't forget what the board is doing with Muniesa right now, it's a disgrace.

Jeepers - what on earth are they doing to Muniesa that is a 'disgrace'?

This Rosell agenda is getting insane.

 

[MessiDinho10]

Jeepers - what on earth are they doing to Muniesa that is a 'disgrace'?

This Rosell agenda is getting insane.

Muniesa never got the chance he deserves.
Also, why not keep him? He's more talented than Bartra, can also play as an LB, cheap, young and we're desperate for CB's. And when there is now place for him now, why not renew his contract and loan him out (which he was willing to do)?

 

[JamDav1982]

Muniesa never got the chance he deserves.
Also, why not keep him? He's more talented than Bartra, can also play as an LB, cheap, young and we're desperate for CB's. And when there is now place for him now, why not renew his contract and loan him out (which he was willing to do)?

They clearly dont feel he is good enough and that is their call to make.

Plenty of young players have been given chances these last two seasons - it is wrong to have a go at the club for the one or two they dont think they are up to it.

 

[MessiDinho10]

They clearly dont feel he is good enough and that is their call to make.

Plenty of young players have been given chances these last two seasons - it is wrong to have a go at the club for the one or two they dont think they are up to it.

Yeah, he got two games (one as a substitute) to prove himself, perhaps five if you add some friendlies. This is since the 2008/2009 season. That's less than one game per season. Not a way of giving a youth player a chance if you ask me.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah, he got two games (one as a substitute) to prove himself, perhaps five if you add some friendlies. This is since the 2008/2009 season. That's less than one game per season. Not a way of giving a youth player a chance if you ask me.

They have the b team etc to prove themselves in before they got a chance with the top team.

Do you blame Guardiola and Laporta for all the young players that moved on under them?

 

[MessiDinho10]

They have the b team etc to prove themselves in before they got a chance with the top team.

Do you blame Guardiola and Laporta for all the young players that moved on under them?

He did prove himself in the B-team, so why not let him play some more games in the first team?

No, not all of them. For example, Gio dos Santos screwed up himself, but I do blame Pep for the Bojan-case.

 

[JamDav1982]

He did prove himself in the B-team, so why not let him play some more games in the first team?

No, not all of them. For example, Gio dos Santos screwed up himself, but I do blame Pep for the Bojan-case.

Do you think he proved himself enough with the b team to get a call up to the first team?

The people who matter at Barca clearly did not.

They dont owe anything to players they dont think are at a high enough level.

 

[jamrock]

seems as if jamdav is saying nothing that is happening at the club has to do with rosell.

valdez for example has come out and said he wanted to do a press conference with the board to explain his reason for leaving and they refused.

cant see that happening under a laporta.
most things good at the club now has been a spill over from the laporta era, most things rosell has touched and made things worst.

youth development a perfect example

 

[JamDav1982]

seems as if jamdav is saying nothing that is happening at the club has to do with rosell.

valdez for example has come out and said he wanted to do a press conference with the board to explain his reason for leaving and they refused.

cant see that happening under a laporta.
most things good at the club now has been a spill over from the laporta era, most things rosell has touched and made things worst.

youth development a perfect example

Youth development?

Did more young players come through in the two years before Rosell?

Valdes leaving and not being given a joint statement with the board. Who even cares about that?

 

[JamDav1982]

This is not the only case. Some scouts, coaches and other doctors are leaving too. The majority of them join Pep at Bayern.

Following Pep and the pound signs no doubt.

 

[barcanuck]

Samper and Bagnack are the ones to keep an eye out for!

 

[MessiDinho10]

Samper and Bagnack are the ones to keep an eye out for!

Don't forget Sandro Ramirez!