Francesc "Tito" Vilanova

[Mr Hulot]

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Barcelona had last year a deal with Liverpool defender Agger, but Vilanova rejected it because it could block the progress of Bartra. [md]

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It is MD guys. I am sure it is not true. Because if it was true, then Barta would have played a lot more. And of course because MD have the most ridiculous stories among newspapers.

 

[ceefoo]

Put it this way, you take "one player" out of our lineup this season, and we don't win jack and maybe don't qualify for QF of CL, that's how prominent our issues have become.

Well put.

Bringing in the likes of Neymar will bring a freshness and smile back to the squad, ...

Initially, yes. However, if results take a turn for the worst, the mood will soon change, and it may even cause divisions within the squad.

Still, I highly doubt we would have lost 7-0 on aggregate under Pep. And I think he would have been a lot better at fixing the issues than Tito.

Had Pep been coach, we just would not have lost by that margin.


It is all good when the team is winning, and sweeping aside everyone in their path. The test of true top coach is when things start to go wrong.
Unless Tito learns from his mistakes, and addresses some of the issues listed below, I can't see him lasting until the new year.

- Tito does not know how to set up the team to be defensively competent .

- He does not recognise the shortcomings in our team, the weaknesses in individuals, and how to correct them.

- He is not proactive with his in-game decision making and has shown himself to be tactically inept, particularly in Europe.

- His management style is cautious, obstinate and uninspiring.

- Plays players out of position and does not select the team based on merit.

- His game-management is short sighted. His player management reckless, as well as disgraceful in some cases.

- Overreliance in using the same players has lead to complacency and injury.

- Frequently snubs our cantera.

- He cares more about his own "legacy" than the club.

 

[spark]

I can't even begin to describe the amount of in this...




Still, I highly doubt we would have lost 7-0 on aggregate under Pep. And I think he would have been a lot better at fixing the issues than Tito.

Also, this season's RM side has been much worse than the RM side of last season, yet we only won 1 clasico (while we only lost 1 clasico last season), not to mention we got owned 3-1 at home in the last clasico (while we owned them 3-1 in their stadium last season). And we lost 2-0 to Milan. Sure, they're a bit underrated, and they have been in great form in 2013 (I believe their only losses were 2 games against Juve and their 4-0 loss against us), but we really shouldn't have struggled against them. There's no way we would have lost 2-0 to them under Pep (or lost to them at all, for that matter), even last season.

We've been a lot worse in big games this season than we were last season.

I see it different. Literally every game after January against Madrid last year they would spam the Ozil to Ronaldo who would then run around Valdes or Pinto and score move. Everyone forgets that we were praying for the final whistle by the end second copa game at Camp Nou. We just edged through to the final but that January it was clear that all psychological edge we had was gone or going away. I thought all the "Defeat that taste like victory" comments by their players were over the top and foolish at the time but that 2-2 clearly made them stop feeling inferior and they drew motivation from it. That was when it started and it reached its zenith in the home league defeat a few months later.In fact that pass behind Mascherano or Puyol for the pacy forward to run onto became the go to move for even the likes of Chelsea to follow.

Two moments of genius. We had it at the Bernabeu too for the 2-1 as well (you know that when its Puyol and Abidal with the two goals) but the systematic domination wasnt there anymore. The thing with those moments of genius is that it isn't sustainable and we saw that when the league game came in May or April.

 

[oz187]

An improvement he says. You must be following box scores instead of actually watching our games.

I suggest you watch some of last seasons away games again and then you'll see how poor some of our performances really were.

Had Pep been coach, we just would not have lost by that margin.

Still, I highly doubt we would have lost 7-0 on aggregate under Pep. And I think he would have been a lot better at fixing the issues than Tito.

Pep is gone, he ain't coming back anytime soon, deal with it.
Also, you might think Pep would've done a better job, but even Pep might not agree with you, hence maybe why he left.

We've been shit in big games this season though. We were extremely unlucky against Chelsea last season, we must have hit the woodwork more times than they had shots on target. Against Bayern, however, we got owned 7-0 on aggregate and were outplayed. Same goes for the 2-0 loss to Milan and the 3-1 loss to RM.

We lost to RM at home last year in the home league game. Nor did we face a Bayern team this good. Also, the 2-0 loss to Milan was reversed with a 4-0 victory, does that not count as a big game?

 

[MarkYaeger]

- Tito does not know how to set up the team to be defensively competent .

- He does not recognise the shortcomings in our team, the weaknesses in individuals, and how to correct them.

- He is not proactive with his in-game decision making and has shown himself to be tactically inept, particularly in Europe.

- His management style is cautious, obstinate and uninspiring.

- Plays players out of position and does not select the team based on merit.

- His game-management is short sighted. His player management reckless, as well as disgraceful in some cases.

- Overreliance in using the same players has lead to complacency and injury.

- Frequently snubs our cantera.

- He cares more about his own "legacy" than the club.

THIS

 

[MarkYaeger]

Does anyone else think Rosell might be the biggest problem? It's becoming more and more apparent, especially with Laporta's recent lashings on him.

 

[Richard.H]

The fact that he cares a lot about his own legacy and records (reaching 100 points) shows a lot about his selfishness. The squad is number one and he should take care of the canteranos. Also, if the rumors of him making Abidal leave is true, then it's even more disrespectful. I seriously don't know what to expect from this team this upcoming season. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a complete disaster and he gets sacked in the middle of the season.

 

[spark]

The fact that he cares a lot about his own legacy and records (reaching 100 points) shows a lot about his selfishness. The squad is number one and he should take care of the canteranos. Also, if the rumors of him making Abidal leave is true, then it's even more disrespectful. I seriously don't know what to expect from this team this upcoming season. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a complete disaster and he gets sacked in the middle of the season.

Its an exact mirror of the 2009-2010 season, We even printed shirts with 99 points. I guess Pep was only interested in his legacy then too. Pep even made a video to motivate them about the 99 points:

We could have won the league with a draw. Why would he use the same methods as the Roma final if the 99 pints werent a consolation after the loss to inter? Pep was always competitive. The only time they rested all the first team was when there was a CL final to play. Last year we were nine points behind Madrid, the league was lost and we were playing the starters to get Messi his 50 goals. This faux outrage over 100 points is surreal.

 

[Cule4life]

@barcastuff: Barcelona had last year a deal with Liverpool defender Agger, but Vilanova rejected it because it could block the progress of Bartra. [md]


lol that's the first. Block the progress of Bartra. Tito don't give Bartra a chance. Tito is a joke.

I am speechless

 

[Superfly]

- He cares more about his own "legacy" than the club.[/B]

Yet if he fails to reach 100 points people will be b****ing and moaning and use that against him too.

The scapegoat can never win can they.

 

[Cule4life]

Yet if he fails to reach 100 points people will be b****ing and moaning and use that against him too.

The scapegoat can never win can they.

Nobody will b***h if he doesnt get 100 points. We would rather the youngsters get playtime. After so many posts advocating the same you still come up with such a wild conclusion?

 

[Superfly]

Nobody will b***h if he doesnt get 100 points. We would rather the youngsters get playtime. After so many posts advocating the same you still come up with such a wild conclusion?

Because it'll happen regardless. Tito can't win, he's become the new scapegoat like Fabregas, Sanchez, Pedro, etc have all become in the past and even when he does something right he'll still get stick for it. Sadly that's mentality that Barcaforum has adopted.

 

[DonAndres]

Because it'll happen regardless. Tito can't win, he's become the new scapegoat like Fabregas, Sanchez, Pedro, etc have all become in the past and even when he does something right he'll still get stick for it. Sadly that's mentality that Barcaforum has adopted.

Tito has become a scapegoat by some fans (just like Rosell has) but you can't act as if he hasn't been to blame for anything. Same deal with Sanchez, Fabregas, Pedro, etc. playing off form when we needed players to be at their best. Not everything is their fault, but they're not entirely victims of blame are they? They have to be doing something wrong to get the stick in the first place.

 

[Cule4life]

Because it'll happen regardless. Tito can't win, he's become the new scapegoat like Fabregas, Sanchez, Pedro, etc have all become in the past and even when he does something right he'll still get stick for it. Sadly that's mentality that Barcaforum has adopted.

Sanchez is getting some praise recently when hes playing well. Read up the forum properly before drawing conclusions out of thin air. Tito, Fabregas and Pedro havent done anything to get any praise hence they are being lambasted.

 

[Barca8]

No chance Adriano will be the new canter back.

Sanchez contributed to 24 goals this season and 20 under Pep. He has not been worse but in all honesty he doesnt suit Barca and neither does Cesc - both of whom Pep signed.

Tito to blame for a lot of things but not everything.

Guardiola to contributed to a lot of these problems not that many will admit it.

This is true but I think Cesc was a board decision, not that Pep really wanted him. I think everyone has also heard that Pep was going to lose some players who didn't fit his future plans (Pique, Cesc, Villa, Dani) but the board didn't want that. A manager should have full control of his team and just like nobody stops Tito from fielding Adriano at CB, after all the success Pep braught he should have been able to get rid of/bring in whoever he wanted.

Last year we won nothing, this year looks like we'll win by the biggest margin ever. So no, things are not much worse, there's been an improvement. That's despite Tito getting his illness halfway through the season.

Last year being 2011-2012... we won the Supercopa de España, UEFA Super Cup, FIFA Club World Cup, Copa del Rey and finished runners up in La Liga & CL Semi-finals. That's a lot more than nothing man.
I'm happy we won the league but it wasn't the best year in La Liga. Mou being the self-serving dictator that he is caused RM to implode well before December. Atletico which was the next best threat doesn't have the depth and fell towards the end of the season.