Frenkie de Jong

[bismp]

Don't dumb it down.

I'll make it simpler. You will get it.

Ev's team is at a level of tactics 20/100.
Pep's team is at a level 100/100.

In order to have a level 100/100, you need:
1. A coach
2. Right players picked by a coach for every position
3. Right players who are young, can run and who are motivated

Pep at Barca and City bought/introduced 10 new players who were perfect for him.

So, Pep would lift this team to a level 60/100.
But if you want a 100/100 level, then Messi, Sukki, Busi, Raki, Dembele (dumb) and lots of others would need to go.

So, my point is:
1. Yes, Pep would improve this team
2. But only to a certain level. Let's say 60.
3. If you want a 90 or 100 level, you need 10 new players for his system.

Klopp also didn't create Liverpool out of 11 random players.
He bought half of their team.

So=a current set of our players will never play even close to Pep's or Klopp's level, due to:
1. We dont have Pep or Klopp
2. Our players are not a good fit for those styles
3. Messi ruining tactical setups, even though this sounds rude towards Messi.
In this moment, I guess that Pep and Klopp wouldn't want Messi in their team due to a poor movement and since their attacking patterns would be way more predictable (Messipendencia).
They would rather have weaker individuals with more passing options.
Than a superior individual who brings less passing options for a team.

I get the point that Messi is "ruining tactical setups" (although that's an exaggeration),but come on,ANY coach in the world would take Messi rather than any other good attacking midfielder/winger/false 9 type striker who would supposedly stick to the tactical plan.

IF all the other 10 players on the field would play like a team and IF the team had actual tactics and IF the midfield had an actual role instead of passing the ball back to the defenders,THEN nobody would give a damn if Messi was "ruining tactical setups".

In fact,I would argue that a great team needs to have a player that is unpredictable and that can create chances(for himself and for his teammates) out of thin air.Stick Messi to the right wing and you lose half his impact.

The only thing you could argue that Messi lacks in his game,is the defensive consistency. But you can't really expect from a 32 year old that has had stamina problems for at least 5-6 years and who is carrying the offensive load every single game,to defend consistently.

That's the role of the manager:to hide the only weakness of this extraordinary player and to highlight his abilities.

 

[serghei]

Don't dumb it down.

I'll make it simpler. You will get it.

Ev's team is at a level of tactics 20/100.
Pep's team is at a level 100/100.

In order to have a level 100/100, you need:
1. A coach
2. Right players picked by a coach for every position
3. Right players who are young, can run and who are motivated

Pep at Barca and City bought/introduced 10 new players who were perfect for him.

So, Pep would lift this team to a level 60/100.
But if you want a 100/100 level, then Messi, Sukki, Busi, Raki, Dembele (dumb) and lots of others would need to go.

So, my point is:
1. Yes, Pep would improve this team
2. But only to a certain level. Let's say 60.
3. If you want a 90 or 100 level, you need 10 new players for his system.

Klopp also didn't create Liverpool out of 11 random players.
He bought half of their team.

So=a current set of our players will never play even close to Pep's or Klopp's level, due to:
1. We dont have Pep or Klopp
2. Our players are not a good fit for those styles
3. Messi ruining tactical setups, even though this sounds rude towards Messi.
In this moment, I guess that Pep and Klopp wouldn't want Messi in their team due to a poor movement and since their attacking patterns would be way more predictable (Messipendencia).
They would rather have weaker individuals with more passing options.
Than a superior individual who brings less passing options for a team.

Pep would need like 2-3 players to have this team as CL favorites. He would need 1 pure winger if Dembele is not playing better under him - DO NOT discount the possibility that Dembele might actually perform much better under a competent manager who has a system and is a great mentor and a great motivator, 3 things Valverde is garbage at.

I'd say Pep would need 1 attacking midfielder, and 1 pure winger (depending on the players). LOL at 10 new players.

 

[KingLeo10]

Did BBZ just say Pep would need Messi to go to win the CL with Barca?

Why hasn't this troll been banned already?

 

[xXKonan]

10 new players really?

Any half-decent manager wouldn't need 10 new players to make this team look great. That is complete and utter nonsense. Valverde is the first manager we have that we can keep spending big money on WC players and he will still make this team play like Tony Pullis level shite.

 

[Riordon]

Pep wouldn’t be able to work with Semedo or Dembele. His players need some kind of football intelligence, those two are more athletes. Also, I doubt Pep would play Arthur and De Jong. He would probably pick one as the pivot and then play two interiors who can play between the lines (D.Silva, De Bruyne or B.Silva). We don’t have these
That’s what he has moved to. Then he would invest in wingers and fullbacks.

 

[xXKonan]

Pep plays Kyle Walker who is more athlete than a footballer and not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

Pep wouldn't use Arthur as a Pivot either. De Jong, he would but not Arthur.

 

[Riordon]

Pep plays Kyle Walker who is more athlete than a footballer and not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

Pep wouldn't use Arthur as a Pivot either. De Jong, he would but not Arthur.

Actually, I doubt Pep would like Arthur especially in the Premier League. Pep seems to acknowledge the strength and power in the Prem. He wouldnt play Arthur with his slowness, shit stamina or bad defending and press. That would kill him on transitions. He spoken VERY highly about Fernandinho

Walker knows at the very least how to exploit space compared to Semedo

 

[xxxxxx]

Who needs Neymar when we have de Jong who can play left wing.

 

[Vahue]

Gundogan is even worse physically than Arthur. Yet he was their best midfielder in the second half of last season. He also played the number 6 position in most matches.

 

[Riordon]

https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/49450953

This shows that even Pep recognizes that midfielders in the Premier League needs strength, stamina and composure. Hate the image of Pep only loving small La Masia type of midfielders, it’s wrong. He said at some point that he would wish his players would be taller and stronger.

 

[xXKonan]

Actually, I doubt Pep would like Arthur especially in the Premier League. Pep seems to acknowledge the strength and power in the Prem. He wouldnt play Arthur with his slowness, shit stamina or bad defending and press. That would kill him on transitions. He spoken VERY highly about Fernandinho

Walker knows at the very least how to exploit space compared to Semedo

You're really underestimating Pep and Underrating the hell out of Arthur especially.

Come on dude I get you're not a fan of Arthur but you're really trying way too hard at putting him down. Santi Carzola before his injuries was 5'6 and not considered some physical beast either, and hell Paul Scholes was 5'7 and not known for being some physical and power beast either.

Coming off as BBZesque here dude.

 

[Riordon]

You're really underestimating Pep and Underrating the hell out of Arthur especially.

Come on dude I get you're not a fan of Arthur but you're really trying way too hard at putting him down. Santi Carzola before his injuries was 5'6 and not considered some physical beast either, and hell Paul Scholes was 5'7 and not known for being some physical and power beast either.

Coming off as BBZesque here dude.

Yes, true. About Carzola, he received the ball between the lines and was fantastic at tight spaces, which Pep also talk about in that interview. Arthur can’t move between lines like that. Scholes was just fantastic at everything, his long balls was perfection.

Nothing against Arthur, just don’t think Pep rate him. He himself said that he would wish his players were taller and stronger and added Rodri to the midfield this summer. Arthur also overcarry the ball way too much for Peps liking IMO. No quick combinations, too much pausa. Pep wants true interiors with great stamina as his CM’s like De Bruyne, d.Silva and that’s why he moved b.Silva to midfield

 

[xXKonan]

Yes, true. About Carzola, he received the ball between the lines and was fantastic at tight spaces, which Pep also talk about in that interview. Arthur can’t move between lines like that. Scholes was just fantastic at everything, his long balls was perfection.

Nothing against Arthur, just don’t think Pep rate him. He himself said that he would wish his players were taller and stronger and added Rodri to the midfield this summer. Arthur also overcarry the ball way too much for Peps liking IMO. No quick combinations, too much pausa. Pep wants true interiors with great stamina as his CM’s like De Bruyne, d.Silva and that’s why he moved b.Silva to midfield

Again you do realize players can improve with actual good coaching right?

We don't have a fucking good coach. You're basing everything off the idea that we have some actual competent manager we do not have a good manager, we do not have a good system that can improve players to what they're capable of nor the manager that could.

What you listed is what an actual good coach could fix, we don't have any of that shit dude.

 

[DonAK]

An Arthur - Frenkie - Havertz Midfield is my dream.

Arthur can be Frenkie's Daley Blind, except he's quicker and more athletic. Havertz can be the van de Beek here, except he's more versatile, better and far more talented.

You'll have physicality and athleticism.

 

[soul24rage]

An Arthur - Frenkie - Havertz Midfield is my dream.

Arthur can be Frenkie's Daley Blind, except he's quicker and more athletic. Havertz can be the van de Beek here, except he's more versatile, better and far more talented.

You'll have physicality and athleticism.

I think that midfield could work with a false 9 Messi. Whenever Messi drops deep, Havertz can move into the space Messi left behind and score goals.