Frenkie de Jong

[malvolio]

Agree with you on that.

FDJ is not playing in way to justify his salary even if was best mid at club last season.

Either play him in way that suits or sell him as he is the one player will get big money for they can sell really.

But until then he is far more effective than shite like Busquets and get most out of him can.

I would be cheering for him every game if he replaces Busquets at DM and does well. Not even expecting world class or something.

But my money is on him not being able to fill that role. Or at least not what we want from a DM.

If our tactics change to Ajax gung-ho then maybe.

 

[Sorin]

Just making up FFP is not my definition of good business, all this while player not providing performances to match his salary.

Every player? Many are selling for more than what they paid for. We on the other hand get players that can't adjust here and then we have to sell for less.

When you start saying things like "but we paid 85m plus 50m in salary" to show that we sell at a loss then hell yeah almost every player in that 50-100m bracket will be sold at a loss. Not counting the ones making a name for themselves at second rate clubs who take a punt on talented youngsters and they sell them for a huge profit after. The likes of Ferran Torres are the exception.

Neymar for example has been sold at a loss following your logic since we've paid almost 100m for him plus salary, plus agent fees and bonuses.

 

[JamDav1982]

He doesnt look sulky at all.

Looks frustrated at times when knows not been good enough.

Load of shite from Bobo as usual.

 

[JamDav1982]

I would be cheering for him every game if he replaces Busquets at DM and does well. Not even expecting world class or something.

But my money is on him not being able to fill that role. Or at least not what we want from a DM.

If our tactics change to Ajax gung-ho then maybe.

Fill the role better than Busi is all it takes for now and if cant get role that justifies salary sell him.

Last season he was far better than is made out on here though.

In this Xavi system when mids are almost AMs asked to hold high position in between lines he is not cut our for that or worth the money could get in a fee.

 

[BusiTheKing]

Imagine we let him go.

He plays DM for his new team, naturally reverts to his level at Ajax.

Busquets starts declining further over the next year and a half. We start looking around for options.

We realize that there's actually someone out there's who was brought up as a DM in possession based school, who loves Barca, and who is proven at world class level.

It's the guy we owned but decided to let go because his form started dropping off after playing out of position for over two years.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Imagine we let him go.

He plays DM for his new team, naturally reverts to his level at Ajax.

Busquets starts declining further over the next year and a half. We start looking around for options.

We realize that there's actually someone out there's who was brought up as a DM in possession based school, who loves Barca, and who is proven at world class level.

It's the guy we owned but decided to let go because his form started dropping off after playing out of position for over two years.

Sadly no coach seems to want to play DeJong instead of Busi

 

[malvolio]

When you start saying things like "but we paid 85m plus 50m in salary" to show that we sell at a loss then hell yeah almost every player in that 50-100m bracket will be sold at a loss. Not counting the ones making a name for themselves at second rate clubs who take a punt on talented youngsters and they sell them for a huge profit after. The likes of Ferran Torres are the exception.

Neymar for example has been sold at a loss following your logic since we've paid almost 100m for him plus salary, plus agent fees and bonuses.

Ok, just by considering his transfer fee. Would it be a loss for you if we sell for 60M?

We're not discussing amortization and all other shite to match FFP or La Liga rules.

 

[fergus90]

The likes of Busquets has survived worse stretches of form and European embarrassments than this. His ex-teammate who spoke in the press prior to being appointed, about the unfair flack Busquets was getting is now his manager and he's club captain.

He's actually further away from being dropped than he was under Valverde and Setien in 19/20 when he was starting to get hooked after 60-70 mins. The man is getting 90 minutes after 90 minutes.

 

[BusiTheKing]

Sadly no coach seems to want to play DeJong instead of Busi

Because De Jong suffers under his own versatility. No-one is playing Busquets as an interior to give room at DM for Frenkie.

Because Frenkie can sort of play as CM, it becomes the most sensible deployment of resources.

But things are changing now. We have more reliable CMs available, which means we no longer need De Jong to patch up the hole in CM.

 

[malvolio]

We realize that there's actually someone out there's who was brought up as a DM in possession based school, who loves Barca, and who is proven at world class level.

proven at world class level but never won anything major in his life. how does this work?

the guy is not brought up in the possession based school. he hasn't got the same traits as midfielders raised in la masia.

 

[BusiTheKing]

proven at world class level but never won anything major in his life. how does this work?

well, he decided to move to Barca.

 

[JamDav1982]

proven at world class level but never won anything major in his life. how does this work?

the guy is not brought up in the possession based school. he hasn't got the same traits as midfielders raised in la masia.

Can easily be world class and not won anything major.

Kane, Haaland etc are world class strikers. Maybe not Kane right now but has been.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Because De Jong suffers under his own versatility. No-one is playing Busquets as an interior to give room at DM for Frenkie.

Because Frenkie can sort of play as CM, it becomes the most sensible deployment of resources.

But things are changing now. We have more reliable CMs available, which means we no longer need De Jong to patch up the hole in CM.

True. Pedri, Nico and Gavi all look better in the offensive zone than Frenkie. DeJong can easily sit back and provide the ball for them and make occasional deep run. Probably the best way to use him with this team.

 

[malvolio]

Can easily be world class and not won anything major.

Kane, Haaland etc are world class strikers. Maybe not Kane right now but has been.

The man said 'proven', didn't he? Sorry, but can't be proven when you win nothing.

Very good? Yes. Too much 'world class' is thrown around lately.

 

[Sorin]

Ok, just by considering his transfer fee. Would it be a loss for you if we sell for 60M?

We're not discussing amortization and all other shite to match FFP or La Liga rules.

Would hope for more considering some of the prices floating around.

I would consider it a loss because he hasn't justified his performances and value added to the team which have been above average at best, but money wise we won't make a loss on him.