Frenkie de Jong

[Givenchy]

I think Xavi isnt really happy with Frenkie. Ofc the financial plays also a role but for me it looks like Xavi isnt so shocked about Frenkie's departure ( if the rumours are true). If the choice is Frenkie or Xavi then Xavi must go.

Exactly this..

Watch us sell Frenkie and then sign Lewa and some random players immediately after. The financial situation whilst relevant, is an excuse. Xavi has been critical of De Jong whilst praising Busquets It's weird how United are the only team in for him though, maybe PSG will make a move once Tchouameni whatever his name is to Madrid is official.

Saying that though, if we sell Frenkie and get Bernardo, I would be very happy with that but we know this club aren't safe with money to spend.

 

[Rory]

Because they lacked analysis. It is just as easy to write "good analysis" as "bad analysis".

I explained though that I disagree that he was good when tested in the position, and that I disagree that his criticizers didn't take his unfamiliarity into account when criticizing him.
The sentence about Barcelona not deserving talents if they don't play the midfield you like next season is just ridiculous.

He is very reluctant to press, rather falling and falling into the laps of the defense.
Elegance is extremely important for the position, when Frenkie plays there he turns and turns and waits and seeks, but mostly only end up finding the pass back to where it came from. Busquets spots the correct pass instantly.
Busquets is simply a better player still, in the 4-2-3-1 Koeman played with them both, Busquets was the better man despite playing out of position and Frenkie playing very much in position.

Ah okay, I don’t police how much analysis a post has, unless they offer no analysis whilst claiming others don’t.

You didn’t explain anything, you said he was bad/ok. You’re now offering some form of an explanation but not before.

Elegance isn’t an important thing for a player to have. It’s an aesthetic thing. It might make you enjoy the player more but is irrelevant otherwise. Reluctant to press simply not true. Takes his time with passing id agree with. I don’t think our players move about a lot tbh. Busquets gets the advantage of receiving the ball from a position where he has way more options and whilst in a transition so opponents aren’t marking players as tightly, or they’re not in position at all.

You despised Koeman right? Now he’s supposed to bolster your point. How many games did we have the 4-2-3-1 where Frenkie had a capable double p?vot alongside him? He was and always has been demoted to Busquets arsewiper

 

[soul24rage]

I like De Jong, although I have mainly been underwhelmed tbh but if the conditions are right he can be top class.

But I guess that's part of the problem, a) he needs particular conditions to be top class and b) he's probably not going to get that here rightly or wrongly (wrongly imo but things won't change).

It's almost a situation where both the club and player will benefit. The player gets to excel in a role he wants and the club gets to recoup major money from a player they cannot get the best out of.

The only problem is, you don't trust Barcelona to reinvest the money wisely. Can almost guarantee they will overpay for mediocrity.

Are you back from your solitude in the mountains?

 

[jamrock]

I think Xavi isnt really happy with Frenkie. Ofc the financial plays also a role but for me it looks like Xavi isnt so shocked about Frenkie's departure ( if the rumours are true). If the choice is Frenkie or Xavi then Xavi must go.

If Xavi isn't happy with Frankie it's because Frankie hasn't set the world a light since being here, If he was constantly playing at a WC level the decision would be more difficult, but probably still the same, I think he is currently our highest wage earner & the club is trying to cut over 100m off its wage bill.

So when you have a young players, on high wages, who no doubt as potential to be WC in the right system, but has never showed it for us consistently, he's only gonna be the first to go under our current economic situation.

But for people to constantly make this a busquets vs Frankie debate doesn't take into consideration everything, they don't even play the same position.

We have to sell & cut our wage bill to buy, Frankie is the most saleable assist that hasn't really delivered he hasn't showed himself to be a 80m player.

 

[Bobo32]

Ah okay, I don’t police how much analysis a post has, unless they offer no analysis whilst claiming others don’t.

You didn’t explain anything, you said he was bad/ok. You’re now offering some form of an explanation but not before.

Elegance isn’t an important thing for a player to have. It’s an aesthetic thing. It might make you enjoy the player more but is irrelevant otherwise. Reluctant to press simply not true. Takes his time with passing id agree with. I don’t think our players move about a lot tbh. Busquets gets the advantage of receiving the ball from a position where he has way more options and whilst in a transition so opponents aren’t marking players as tightly, or they’re not in position at all.

You despised Koeman right? Now he’s supposed to bolster your point. How many games did we have the 4-2-3-1 where Frenkie had a capable double p?vot alongside him? He was and always has been demoted to Busquets arsewiper

Yes elegance is very important, and it is at the heart of the "DNA". It is not about aesthetics - although it does look aesthetic - to play elegantly. Busquets does what Xavi also was famous for, he makes the difficult seem easy, and every time you pass into his vicinity, the ball will come back with clarity to the correct player with space and time, without any unnecessary touches.

I love Frenkie de Jong as a player and I love his style, but it is the opposite of elegant, he messes stuff up but through calmness and good technique he often finds solutions anyway. He can sort of work in a functioning team, although he brings less than some alternative would, but he won't ever be a great DMC for a great Barcelona.

Busquets looked as superior to Frenkie in a double pivote as he does in every game.

 

[jamrock]

Also can we stop talking about the shit results we have gotten in Europe the past few seasons & put it all in busquets in the midfield, no doubt is slow ass deserves some, but Frankie starter all those games as well & was equally shit as busquets.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nonsense the point about Busquets being part of all the CL defeats/hammerings is that since 2011 he has been awful in every one of them.. all 10 while in his best position of DM and playing large part in team being over run.

FDJ wasnt there for Juventus scoring 3 in 2017, PSG scoring 4 in 2017, Roma scoring 4 in 2018, Liverpool scoring 4 in 2019... before that we can go Bayern scoring 7 in two legs in 2013 etc.

In the last 3 exits.. for Bayern 8-2 they were all shit and let and none of them in best position in the 8-2.. that Bayern said they specifically targetted Busquets.

The other two seasons for FDJ.. defeat by PSG in 2021..FDJ in first leg was better than Busquets although not great and won the penalty in one of few positive moments for Barca. In return leg FDJ was best player on park playing in defence.

This season.. Benfica away whole team was poor and Busquets terrible.. FDJ while not amazing was better player easily and one of few showing energy required and trying to make things happen. The elimination in EL to Frankfurt.. Busi abysmal over there and over run agan as hit on break.. it wook FDJ to come on and show quality to assist the qualiser and change game. The home leg v Frankfurt Xavi bizarrely plays Busi again as isolated DM... and again he is torn apart positionally. FDJ was shite as well.

So no the two are not the same at all.. One of them played in Roma/Liverpool and all the other hammerings in his best position and constantly been torn apart and not protecting the defence whie the other been there for three seasons and been better in those defeats if not great while not playing in best position.

 

[feggydinho]

Nonsense the point about Busquets being part of all the CL defeats/hammerings is that since 2011 he has been awful in every one of them.. all 10 while in his best position of DM and playing large part in team being over run.

FDJ wasnt there for Juventus scoring 3 in 2017, PSG scoring 4 in 2017, Roma scoring 4 in 2018, Liverpool scoring 4 in 2019... before that we can go Bayern scoring 7 in two legs in 2013 etc.

In the last 3 exits.. for Bayern 8-2 they were all shit and let and none of them in best position in the 8-2.. that Bayern said they specifically targetted Busquets.

The other two seasons for FDJ.. defeat by PSG in 2021..FDJ in first leg was better than Busquets although not great and won the penalty in one of few positive moments for Barca. In return leg FDJ was best player on park playing in defence.

This season.. Benfica away whole team was poor and Busquets terrible.. FDJ while not amazing was better player easily and one of few showing energy required and trying to make things happen. The elimination in EL to Frankfurt.. Busi abysmal over there and over run agan as hit on break.. it wook FDJ to come on and show quality to assist the qualiser and change game. The home leg v Frankfurt Xavi bizarrely plays Busi again as isolated DM... and again he is torn apart positionally. FDJ was shite as well.

So no the two are not the same at all.. One of them played in Roma/Liverpool and all the other hammerings in his best position and constantly been torn apart and not protecting the defence whie the other been there for three seasons and been better in those defeats if not great while not playing in best position.

Remove Busquet from that team and we probably still lose by a large margin. It's been a while that Spain has been trashed massively even while fielding the same Busquet, so it's not solely a Busquet problem but a team problem and how we tend to crumble sometimes and lose by a large margin

 

[Gari]

"Sergio Busquets does not consider renewing his contract. He's planning to sign for Inter Miami in 2023."There was a year left and they wrote that Xavi would attract less veterans. It is obvious if Busquets really wants to leave. De Jong will most likely stay. He is only associated with Manchester United, but this is not a club of his level.

 

[JamDav1982]

International games are not of the same quality or intensity 90% of the time bar maybe knock outs in a major championship.

They conceded 5 in 3 games in last Euros knockouts vs teams not better than Barca play in CL.

Three v Croatia before Busi was taken off in ET as struggling, were getting over run by Switzerland in midfield before got man sent off and then 1 v a decent Italy side that sat back.

Prior to that Spain done nothing in major champsionships since 2012 bar embarrasing early knock outs where teams.... looked far better physically.

 

[jamrock]

So afternoon all that we end with he has been here for 3 seasons & was bad it all our defeats as well, which is what I said okay then, but oooh he was better than busquets, very high water make that.

He was shit in all the defeats just like busquets just like the entire team.

This busquets Vs Frankie debate is just a straw man debate to try & make Frankie look better than he has been since being at Barcelona, busquets being old & slow doesn't change the fact that for 80m he has been a very underwhelming signing that has not shown himself constantly to be able to left the midfield, he's been at best a 6/10 since being at Barcelon

So if it comes the summer the club needs money, he's our highest wage earner, young & with undoubted potently, he's always gonna be the first to go.

Busquets vs Frankie debate is redundant AF.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nope.. Busquets been there and in his best position for far more heavy/embarrasing defeats than FDJ.

While FDJ ws better than him v PSG, Frankfurt and both were shit v Bayern in 8-2 with that bizarre Setien formation of 442.

Poor comparison.

If FDJ had ten years worth of poor performances in his best position and had been as bad as Busi in recent defeats then maybe would have a point but dont.

If FDJ goes it is a football decision. Under the current rules Barca face then getting rid of him barely frees up enough salary limit to sign Kessie.

Xavi prefers Busi, build midfield for him and thinks he is still the best DM going.

Why not do what any sane businesmann would do an sign the CVC deal? That was argument the other day when some folk thought CVC deal was going to happen for 25% of future tv money.

 

[jamrock]

If we accept some basic things to be true unless we live in the upside down.

We we accept that the club is broke, as oppose to thinking the club has money to put Together and economic package to sign some of the best young players in the world, but they have no interest to join us because who wants to play for a club that still has busquets & alba in their team.

If we accept that ain't nobody taking out old ass high wage earners off our hands.

If we accept that not one serious person in the club, ever bartomeu as dumb as he is, would for a second entertain the idea of selling all our best young players to help balance our economic situation, because....

If we accept all these basics things, no money, no one will sign out oldies, we can't sell all our best young players ( because....) Mind you he is such a young player so no issues should be there selling him.

Then your left with 1 player looking you dead in the face as the best option to try to generate income & lower wage bill.

Again busquets vs Frankie debate is redundant and irrelevant, it's all economic and he has not made himself unsellable by being great for us.

 

[JamDav1982]

None of that is relevant to point made and thnakfully the club have rejected the CVC deal that 'any top businesmann' would sign.

Busquets v Frenkie is relevant debate to how Barca and Xavi see the team.

It is not all economic at all.

If he leaves it will be a footballing decision as they will either sign a better tv deal than one CVC offered in which case can keep him if econimics is the argument... if they dont and sell FDJ under current economic rules it barely covers the ability to get in Kessie for next season.

The 'oldies' should be told their time is up and free to leave. That would be a start. No one is claiming clubs would want to pay transfer fees for them bar maybe smallish fee for Alba.

 

[Messigician]

If we accept some basic things to be true unless we live in the upside down.

We we accept that the club is broke, as oppose to thinking the club has money to put Together and economic package to sign some of the best young players in the world, but they have no interest to join us because who wants to play for a club that still has busquets & alba in their team.

If we accept that ain't nobody taking out old ass high wage earners off our hands.

If we accept that not one serious person in the club, ever bartomeu as dumb as he is, would for a second entertain the idea of selling all our best young players to help balance our economic situation, because....

If we accept all these basics things, no money, no one will sign out oldies, we can't sell all our best young players ( because....) Mind you he is such a young player so no issues should be there selling him.

Then your left with 1 player looking you dead in the face as the best option to try to generate income & lower wage bill.

Again busquets vs Frankie debate is redundant and irrelevant, it's all economic and he has not made himself unsellable by being great for us.

Don't reference stranger things again u egg

Won't tell u again