Frenkie de Jong

[serghei]

No it is not a 'modern term' and it is used to desribe a player that gets up and down pitch to help at both ends.

You thought Frank Lampard was box to box and scoffed at Keane/Viera being that.

Dont have a clue.

Watch this and see who was involved in build up to more goals than any Barca player.. it was FDJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW8sEHOBvg&t=164s

Of course Lampard was a box-to-box. The guy was a tireless worker on both phases. His offensive output was due to his awesome eye for runs and goals, not because he occupied very high positions constantly. He moved INTO space, he didn't occupy space. Think about Rakitic at Barcelona only much better. Rakitic also moved into space, and didn't wait for the ball in advanced positions.

Lampard would basically be one the most offensive-minded box-to-box midfielders ever seen. To see him as an AM is missing the mark of his presence in CM and on the defensive end. Guy had a massive engine.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Biskvits could be considered better than DJ, if we wouldn't be constantly fucked defensively due to him. He can make good interceptions and tackles here and there, but only when the play is static and opponent is in front of him. When someone gets past him, he's in no man's land, because his only running mode is jogging. He also often leaves his area to unsuccessfully press, which makes huge gaping hole in the middle. DeJong on the contrary seems to be everywhere, can press tenaciously and track back as a sweeper. His attacking proves is inconsistent, but often enough very good. Unlike Busi, he also scores goals, because he appears in the box often. Only thing the ancient is superior at is between the lines passing, which is his best trait and elegant showboating that is pleasing to the eye.

 

[JamDav1982]

Haha no Lampard was not box to box he was an AM that waited for knock downs more than anything and played closet to a second striker a lot of the time than anything resembling box to box.

Not even close to a box to box player.

 

[serghei]

Haha no Lampard was not box to box he was an AM that waited for knock downs more than anything and played closet to a second striker a lot of the time than anything resembling box to box.

Not even close to a box to box player.

You don't know what you're talking about. When watching Lampard back in the day the first thing that hit me was how did this guy come back to defend so quickly when he just popped in the box seconds before? That's the mark of an elite box-to-box player having a massive engine.

It's a common confusion to mistake hard-working CMs as pure AMs simply because they had the drive and the desire (and also the physical beastliness) to give 100% in both aspects of play. It's rare, but Lampard is one of the best. I rate him higher than Gerrard and Scholes personally. Probably the best British midfielder I've seen personally.

 

[Temptation]

Lampard isn't box to box. A very good Footballer but his game was centred around those late runs he made into the box. He was perfectly comfortable as an advanced 8 or a 10. Never a box to box type.

In the modern game, I'd say Prime Del Alli was similar for a while in how he operated under Poch when Spurs were flying.

Gerrard was more box to box. But then tbf Gerrard was so insanely complete as a Footballer that he could play 5 to 6 positions and be world class in all of them.

 

[Bobo32]

You don't know what you're talking about.

It took you close to 10 years to figure that out?

 

[JamDav1982]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Lampard was an attacking mid that was given license to get in box and support striker, take chances to score as much as he could.

Absolutely clueless to claim he was some box to box player asked to get up and down pitch and also get as many chances and score as many goals as he did.

 

[JamDav1982]

It took you close to 10 years to figure that out?

From the man who claimed Puig was world class and Pedri like Di Maria because of football manager.

Pleb.

 

[JamDav1982]

Lampard isn't box to box. A very good Footballer but his game was centred around those late runs he made into the box. He was perfectly comfortable as an advanced 8 or a 10. Never a box to box type.

In the modern game, I'd say Prime Del Alli was similar for a while in how he operated under Poch when Spurs were flying.

Gerrard was more box to box. But then tbf Gerrard was so insanely complete as a Footballer that he could play 5 to 6 positions and be world class in all of them.

Exactly there are debates all the time on Sky etc about Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes for example and always they are discussing Gerard as being the all round player and Lampard as best mid at supporting striker and getting on end of things around the box.

 

[fergus90]

De Jong is good but it’s just one of those situations where you aren’t getting what you’re paying for.

He might well be okay as a lone DM if in a 4-3-3 but currently he’s not vital enough that you can’t sell scoff at 85 million euros.

 

[DonAK]

I hope Frenkie remains stubborn. These assholes been briefing the press about Bernardo Silva for months and meeting up with Jorge Mendes every second week.

Don't want Frenkie sold with Bernardo Silva not signed.

 

[JamDav1982]

Hope he takes every penny he can.

The way the club goes about their business at times is a farce in how deal with staff.. and usually ones who dont deserve it.

Others have free reign to play, behave how they like and get nothing but showered in praise.

 

[serghei]

Lampard was an attacking mid that was given license to get in box and support striker, take chances to score as much as he could.

Absolutely clueless to claim he was some box to box player asked to get up and down pitch and also get as many chances and score as many goals as he did.

Have you never wondered why Lampard and Gerrard never worked together for England? Newsflash, they like the same things. Making runs forward, blasting it from 20-30 meters. Neither is DM, both are box-to-box and like to push forward a lot.

 

[fergus90]

Lampard wasn’t a box to box mate, he loved those late darting runs in the box and was a master at that. The defensive side he always had an Essien/Makelele or Mikel to do the dirty work.

 

[Joan]

De Jong is good but it?s just one of those situations where you aren?t getting what you?re paying for.

He might well be okay as a lone DM if in a 4-3-3 but currently he?s not vital enough that you can?t sell scoff at 85 million euros.

He is a good player and a safe 6/10 performer. He’s been the rock upon which our midfield was built even if Busi was at the heart of it. But he’s not going to replace Busquets, he?s not a long term pivot, Xavi (and coaches who will come after him) won’t suddenly build around him, and on top of that, he?s the among the highest paid players in the squad if not the highest. Makes absolute sense to sell a player who’s underperforming relative to cost especially if there’s a good offer on the table.