Frenkie de Jong

[JamDav1982]

Have you never wondered why Lampard and Gerrard never worked together for England? Newsflash, they like the same things. Making runs forward, blasting it from 20-30 meters. Neither is DM, both are box-to-box and like to push forward a lot.

Lampard and Gerrard have both discussed how they think they could have worked in a three but not in a two.

Guess why didnt work....not because both were box to box players as that can actually works and fairly common in late 90s etc.

A box to box and a AM wont work as wont be anyone sitting enough.

 

[JamDav1982]

Lampard wasn’t a box to box mate, he loved those late darting runs in the box and was a master at that. The defensive side he always had an Essien/Makelele or Mikel to do the dirty work.

Of course he wasnt. He was closer to a second striker than box to box was there to get goals, make things happen in final third above all else.

Chelsea built their mid to give him that room to not take chances constantly and others to cover defensively.

 

[Falcao]

Despicable way to treat him.

 

[Temptation]

Have you never wondered why Lampard and Gerrard never worked together for England? Newsflash, they like the same things. Making runs forward, blasting it from 20-30 meters. Neither is DM, both are box-to-box and like to push forward a lot.

This is so not true. That's not the reason.

Mourinho famously wanted Gerrard at Chelsea. He already had Lampard.

You think Jose Mourinho is that dumb that he wants both in the same side despite them being players who were very similar?

I can only assume you haven't seen much of Steven Gerrard. Gerrard could do what Lampard did and a dozen of other things all around the pitch to a world class level.

 

[DonAK]

I have to say one thing. The way the club is trying to force him out, making threats about dropping him from their pre-season tour, etc. is disgraceful when Laporta cannot find his balls when Pique is out partying late night or other players underperform.

 

[Bobo32]

Lampard wasn’t a box to box mate, he loved those late darting runs in the box and was a master at that. The defensive side he always had an Essien/Makelele or Mikel to do the dirty work.

He liked to shoot and tackle and run about. And most of all to do these blind high balls towards the flanks. He can very well be called a box to box, as he ran about between the boxes pretty blindly with the ball, he was hardly stationary.

 

[El Gato]

Lampard never been box to box. He's even been on tape going over his role in England team in which he emphasized his thinking towards going forward first and foremost. He barely ever wanted to do the other end of the pitch. He was an AM that either sat hugging a CF or made a run in. Absolute nonsense to claim he is B2B. That is a Kante, Keane, Vieira or at a push Yaya role. Lamps always had to have an Essien type doing his dirty work. Even gave an impression that when got asked by Capello to play in a 2 with Gareth Barry he couldn't focus on staying in position when his midfield partner had gone ahead of him.

 

[serghei]

Lampard wasn’t a box to box mate, he loved those late darting runs in the box and was a master at that. The defensive side he always had an Essien/Makelele or Mikel to do the dirty work.

Then how come he is always considered into the best box-to-box midfielders lists?

Saying Lampard is not a box-to-box is like trying to carve out a niche positioning for a term that is basically very wide-encompassing, to begin with.

Box to box is not pure DM, not pure AM. It's between. More AM, more DM depending on each players' skillset. Bottom line is Frank Lampard was not a Kaka or a Deco. Or other attacking midfielders of that sort. He was more involved in CM areas, because of his great engine.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...nt, stranger,is their main creative influence.

Let's consider it debatable issue.

 

[Joan]

One gotta change his avatar. I’m mixing up fergus and gato.

 

[DonAK]

Lampard was a bit of a trequartista.

 

[JamDav1982]

Here is Lampard with Gerrard talking about playing with Gerrard for England and Lampard talking about second guesing himself as used to being 'free to get forward' when cant in a two.

Lampard was never box to box he was an attacking mid with 'freedom' to get forward as he says himself.

Heard that mentioned from Lampard before he thinks England could have worked with Scholes dictating from deep, Gerard box to box and him AM to get forward.

At 7.40 Lamps discusses it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRdbUfcBPZw

 

[Temptation]

Then how come he is always considered into the best box-to-box midfielders lists?

Saying Lampard is not a box-to-box is like trying to carve out a niche positioning for a term that is basically very wide-encompassing, to begin with.

Box to box is not pure DM, not pure AM. It's between. More AM, more DM depending on each players' skillset. Bottom line is Frank Lampard was not a Seedorf or a Deco. Or other attacking midfielders of that sort. He was more involved in CM areas, because of his great engine.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...nt, stranger,is their main creative influence.

Let's consider it debatable issue.

An American Soccer website said it. Must be true.

 

[serghei]

An American Soccer website said it. Must be true.

You didn't even read the article.

 

[Temptation]

You didn't even read the article.

Stopped reading at Bleacher Report.

 

[Temptation]

Many websites mistake box to box for "gets in the box to score from midfield".

In order to be a b2b you gotta do both sides of it at a similar rate not just the offensive side.


Essien is a box 2 box mid.

Makalele was a DM.