Gerard Deulofeu

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
Absolutely. Time is running out for him.

Always I would have said he wont make it as doesn't have it between the ears but saw glimpses tonight of a different more mature player.

The fact this was youth level against a poor Belarus side is almost irrelevant as in the past these are the types of games his arrogance and selfish, lazy tracking back would have been evident but he showed none of that.

Let's hope the desperate state he's currently in has forced a change in him and made the light finally turn on. Time and chances are surely running out on him.

Always thought phenom players fail because they're too talented early to be hit with adversity and forced to adapt and change, just like normal natural evolution by natural selection. You have to be struck with adversity and pushed to force evolution. When they hit that wall they're just vastly unprepared for it and crumble. Look at Messi's early life adversity and how that shaped him. Cristiano too faced adversity early.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Let's hope the desperate state he's currently in has forced a change in him and made the light finally turn on. Time and chances are surely running out on him.

Always thought phenom players fail because they're too talented early to be hit with adversity and forced to adapt and change, just like normal natural evolution by natural selection. You have to be struck with adversity and pushed to force evolution. When they hit that wall they're just vastly unprepared for it and crumble. Look at Messi's early life adversity and how that shaped him. Cristiano too faced adversity early.

Celades made comments about Deulofeu after the game to the effect that he played more for team and has to carry on with this attitude. Which was good to read.

Perhaps Duelofeu seems to play more of a team player in games he is more relaxed and comfortable of his stature in. Where as in other games he is too desperate to prove how good he is and why he should be in the team.
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
Celades made comments about Deulofeu after the game to the effect that he played more for team and has to carry on with this attitude. Which was good to read.

Perhaps Duelofeu seems to play more of a team player in games he is more relaxed and comfortable of his stature in. Where as in other games he is too desperate to prove how good he is and why he should be in the team.

That's certainly possible. Too eager and desperate to live up to his phenom status. In fairness to him, he's also never been played with any degree of consistency so that he can get acclimated and comfortable. Very sporadic play in both Everton and Sevilla.

There are definitely plenty of points we can bring up to fan the hopes of Deulofeu realizing his potential, and since we actually also want him to, it's easy. I hope he makes it. He's a talented exciting player. I just at this point want to see more than youth exploits. They don't do it for me anymore with respects to him.
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Where do you guys get the memos about his awful work ethic anyway? I've watched a fair share of Sevilla this season and he never looked like slacking and was their most creative player at times. Denis in comparison has looked much worse, because Sevilla's style is as far from La Masia's as it could be. They bypass midfield entirely. Even Stoke City play intelligent possession based football at times, while Sevilla hoofs the ball forward in hopes for 'Mbia, Bakka or Iborra get on the end of it and either score/pass to nearest teammate or create havoc in the box just by sheer physical presence. Half of their goals have been rebouns or after corner/free kicks (fair share of which were Delu's). If you watch their matches you'd notice that Suarez rarely receives passes. Delo gets more of it, because they use wings a lot, but all in all it's obvious that Emmery don't need players of Barca style, he needs hunks, who wouldn't look out of place on a rugby pitch. He wouldn't use Neymar over Bakka or Reyes even if by some miracle he'd ended there. It has nothing to do with ''not being good for Sevilla lel''.

Also Emery seems like a bit of a deucehbag himself. Wouldn't wonder if he simply chooses veteran players, because he is used to them and doesn't give a shit about some young schmucks from rival club. Barca should put in clauses that guarantee certain amount of play time otherwise it's pointless to send them out. They can all get their training at home and in better quality.
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
Kid stars in a match where he actually gets some responsibility (Captain's armband) and plays only to be met with the usual kneejerk assessments - most of which from those who didn't even see the match...Yet he's selfish, lazy and isn't even good enough for Sevilla (Since he's been benched)...from Barcelona fans :rolleyes:

The pendulum of hyperbole swings again

Fans should be happy to see the player flourishing and looking to see one of their own succeed at their home club but let the bashing continue
 

Alik

Moderator
Kid stars in a match where he actually gets some responsibility (Captain's armband) and plays only to be met with the usual kneejerk assessments - most of which from those who didn't even see the match...Yet he's selfish, lazy and isn't even good enough for Sevilla (Since he's been benched)...from Barcelona fans :rolleyes:

The pendulum of hyperbole swings again

Fans should be happy to see the player flourishing and looking to see one of their own succeed at their home club but let the bashing continue

A kneejerk reaction would be everyone saying that Deulofeu is "back" and is going to be a star based on this performance.

Being cautious and tempering these expectations is not a kneejerk reaction.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
A kneejerk reaction would be everyone saying that Deulofeu is "back" and is going to be a star based on this performance.

Being cautious and tempering these expectations is not a kneejerk reaction.

Yep.

Also, there were lots of players during history who were somehow "too good" for youth levels, but NEVER managed to do anything significantly on senior levels.

For example, Saviola, a few lines about him:
"Nicknamed El Conejo (The Rabbit), Buenos Aires-born Saviola made his debut for Club Atlético River Plate at the age of 16, and went on to be a prolific goalscorer for the club.

He helped River to the 1999 Apertura and 2000 Clausura championships, and earned the 1999 South American Footballer of the Year award. Still only 18, he gained a reputation as a phenomenal prospect, and was even regarded as a potential heir to Diego Maradona, in particular after he broke Maradona's 1978 record by becoming the youngest player to win El Goleador (the Golden Boot Award).

Saviola starred in the 2001 edition of the FIFA U-20 World Cup, held in Argentina. He was top scorer and was voted player of the tournament, as the national team won the competition; with 11 goals in seven games, he became the record goal-scorer in the tournament's history."

Here are the goals from that tournament, where Argentina won the gold, and Saviola scored 11 goals in 7 matches.
He was 19 and a half years old during that tournament where he was the best young player in the world:

(Now, just imagine that we today have a young player who is the best in the world and who had just won the gold medal and scored 11 goals in 7 matches on U21 World cup. The forum would melt down from a hype, isn't it?)

Also, I will always remember a story from 10-ish years ago when Liverpool bought French players Le Tallec and Sinama Pongolle who were the best players at Fifa U16 and U17 tournaments in 2001:
"Born in Hennebont, Le Tallec was signed from Le Havre AC by Liverpool in 2001, along with his cousin Florent Sinama Pongolle, by manager Gérard Houllier. This was after impressive performances for the French national youth team in the UEFA European Under-16 Championship and the FIFA U-17 World Cup, with the player being awarded the 'Silver Ball' as the second best player (behind his cousin) in the latter tournament as the national team emerged champions; both players remained a further two years at Le Havre, loaned by the Reds."

None of them turned into even a semidecent player. Even though they were THE BEST young players in the world in that moment.
So, these guys were all the best young players in the world in their time, and they didn't make it in a senior football.
And that is not a mental issue, like: they were rude, arrogant or something.
They just peaked early, but never improved after the age 18 or 20, and that's it.
Some guys improve further and further during their careers.
And for some guys is: what you see at the age of 18, this is what you will get till the end of his career.

Some players are always somehow "too good" for youth levels and they look like beasts against young opponents and against young defenders.
But they never during their career "manage" to make another step and improve their game to be good enough for a senior level.

Again, in numbers it would be something like:
-- quality of youth football is around 50%
-- and quality of senior football is around 100%

-- then, some players like Saviola are already at 80-90% already at the age of 18-19
-- and they are trashing the young defenders in that age
-- BUT, their game never improves too much after that, and they are stuck at 90%, and they are never good enough for a senior level where you need 100% of quality

-- of course, some other young players are at the 50-60% when they are young, but somehow they improve to 100% later and they were nothing special in youth ranks, but they turn into a good senior players

-- but also, there are some players like Messi, who are already at 90% as youth players, but later they turn into a 150% player, and they are trashing both youth and senior opponents for years

So, yes, it is hard to predict what will happen with Deulofeu, but since he is already 21, we shouldn't be too ecstatic about his plays against youth opponents anymore.
He will need to improve his game on a senior level and become a good senior level player.
Or he will always remain a guy who was too good against youth opponents, but a very average player against any senior opponents.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
A kneejerk reaction would be everyone saying that Deulofeu is "back" and is going to be a star based on this performance.

Being cautious and tempering these expectations is not a kneejerk reaction.

Who has said that Deulofeu is 'back' or 'going to be a star'?

This is just another example of people manufacturing an argument to debate against!

At most people are saying he still has a chance to make it. That is all.

No real need to jump on that and be overly negative against Duelofeu arguing against things people didn't even say!!
 

Ursegor

World Champion
Trying to predict if a player who performs in youth levels can make it at Barca is probably about as meaningful as predicting if an elementary school kid can get a PhD in mathematics based on his elementary school grades. One can count on 2 hands the amount of players that made it from La Masia into Barca's first team and delivered since the Xavi/Puyol generation in more than 15 years. If Deulolfeu makes it: great. If not: no biggie. Class wingers and strikers more or less grow on trees compared to defenders and central midfielders.
 

Xavinho

New member
Who has said that Deulofeu is 'back' or 'going to be a star'?

This is just another example of people manufacturing an argument to debate against!

At most people are saying he still has a chance to make it. That is all.

No real need to jump on that and be overly negative against Duelofeu arguing against things people didn't even say!!

What are you on about?
Alik wasn't claiming anyone had said that about Deulofeu. He was, quite rightly, giving an example of what an actual knee jerk reaction would be to Gerard having a good game, as opposed to what FCBarca strangely labelled as knee jerk assessments.
 

Alik

Moderator
What are you on about?
Alik wasn't claiming anyone had said that about Deulofeu. He was, quite rightly, giving an example of what an actual knee jerk reaction would be to Gerard having a good game, as opposed to what FCBarca strangely labelled as knee jerk assessments.

Thanks! That is indeed what I meant.
 
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Zangash

Banned
According to squawka, Deulo has better defensive stats than Pedro (other than tackles made) in less games.

That says more about how overrated Pedro's defensive contribution is (He can't do much in attack but at least he helps out defensively! Does Neymar?!) than it does about Deulofeu.

Although the notion that he refuses to help defensively is far from the truth as well.
 
G

Gasgas

Guest
Where do you guys get the memos about his awful work ethic anyway? I've watched a fair share of Sevilla this season and he never looked like slacking and was their most creative player at times. Denis in comparison has looked much worse, because Sevilla's style is as far from La Masia's as it could be. They bypass midfield entirely. Even Stoke City play intelligent possession based football at times, while Sevilla hoofs the ball forward in hopes for 'Mbia, Bakka or Iborra get on the end of it and either score/pass to nearest teammate or create havoc in the box just by sheer physical presence. Half of their goals have been rebouns or after corner/free kicks (fair share of which were Delu's). If you watch their matches you'd notice that Suarez rarely receives passes. Delo gets more of it, because they use wings a lot, but all in all it's obvious that Emmery don't need players of Barca style, he needs hunks, who wouldn't look out of place on a rugby pitch. He wouldn't use Neymar over Bakka or Reyes even if by some miracle he'd ended there. It has nothing to do with ''not being good for Sevilla lel''.

Also Emery seems like a bit of a deucehbag himself. Wouldn't wonder if he simply chooses veteran players, because he is used to them and doesn't give a shit about some young schmucks from rival club. Barca should put in clauses that guarantee certain amount of play time otherwise it's pointless to send them out. They can all get their training at home and in better quality.
Like Hulk :pep:
 

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