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[JamDav1982]

I already told you I think Saka has better attributes than Pedri. And Bellingham simply has more offensive arsenal to his game. You think Pedri is gonna match Bellingham's offensive numbers next season... please...

Yes and thats not the point. Think Saka is better if you like based on attributes/performances... this debate is not about who is better about as much as the different rules applied.

But it is a contradiction to make out others cant rate Pedri as top until he has titles, experience and CL latter performances then in turn Saka/Bellingham as top.

Who has claimed Pedri will match Bellinghams numbers?

 

[serghei]

Yes and thats not the point. Think Saka is better if you like based on attributes/performances.

But it is a contradiction to make out others cant rate Pedri as top until he has titles, experience and CL latter performances then in turn Saka/Bellingham as top.

They can rate Pedri as top. They are likely gonna be proven wrong again. Also depends on the "top" you mean. Top like De Bruyne? That is a joke for sure if that kind of top.

He already is a top La Liga player.

 

[JamDav1982]

They can rate Pedri as top. They are likely gonna be proven wrong again.

Ok so Pedri does not need experience in CL, CL latter performances and titles to be a top player if others think he is that already based on performance?

The rating is purely based on where see current ability given that Pedri is ahead on all three of above than other two if want to apply them anyway.

Wrong again? Lets see who is wrong on the 'Gavi is better than Pedri' claim you make.

Not seen much Pedri/Bellingham comparisons or Pedri/Saka so not sure who is going to be 'wrong'.

Time will tell.

 

[serghei]

Ok so Pedri does not need experience in CL, CL latter performances and titles to be a top player if others think he is that already based on performance?

The rating is purely based on where see current ability given that Pedri is ahead on all three of above than other two if want to apply them anyway.

Wrong again? Lets see who is wrong on the 'Gavi is better than Pedri' claim you make.

Time will tell.

Time is gonna tell. But if you wait 2-3 more years for Pedri to deliver... that is not a top player now in the true sense of the word. But a talented kid that is in development, which is actually my opinion of him.

This season in CL and La Liga is the time to show it. Assists, key passes, and goals in big games. First, he has to stay fit.

 

[JamDav1982]

Time is gonna tell. But if you wait 2-3 more years for Pedri to deliver... that is not a top player now. But a talented kid that is in development, which is actually my opinion of him.

So not based on CL latter stages, experience and titles. Got it.

Based on ability which has been point all along.

Pedri, Saka and Bellingham not have those three 'achievements' above and still be considered top if deem their current ability good enough. From there it is personal opinion.

Ah yes Gavi will 'deliver' and prove you correct he is better player than Pedri.. 'elite mentality and best ball winner in world'. Worse claim than anything about Pedri but there you go.

Time will tell.. 2/3 years maybe if not then wrong.

 

[serghei]

So not based on CL latter stages, experience and titles. Got it.

Based on ability which has been point all along.

Pedri, Saka and Bellingham can have not have those three and still be considered top if deem their current ability good enough.

Ah yes Gavi will 'deliver' and prove you correct he is better player.

Time will tell.. 2/3 years maybe if not then wrong.

Ah, he is gonna be a top player in 2-3 years.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ah, he is gonna be a top player in 2-3 years.

No I think he is top now and better than Gavi.

When will Gavi over take Pedri.? 2/3 years...

'Best ball winner in world' and 'elite mentality that Pedri lacks'

Sensational.

Time will tell who is wrong.

 

[Yannik]

on the bench today, may get a few minutes in the 2nd half.

 

[serghei]

No I think he is top now and better than Gavi.

When will Gavi over take Pedri.? 2/3 years...

'Best ball winner in world' and 'elite mentality that Pedri lacks'

Sensational.

Ok, then he must produce more goals and assists, and be more decisive in the last third. If he does, fair enough, I misjudged him.

If other AMs do that and he doesn't... then it's a poor rating to consider him top-class. Just passing the ball without any bite, and looking cute doing that doesn't cut it.

Last season... sorry, not quite top-class. A level under.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ok, then he must produce more goals and assists, and be more decisive in the last third. If he does, fair enough, I misjudged him.

If other AMs do that and he doesn't... then it's a poor rating to consider him top-class. Just passing the ball and looking cute doing that doesn't cut it.

No he needs to be the better player. He could still be better even with less of those stats. His basics need to improve to begin with but still young.

Pedri does a lot more than 'just passing the ball and looking cute' even if will improve his goals/assists. Pedri is class deeper also.

Bizarre claim when rate Gavi higher despite being miles behind on the ball.

 

[serghei]

Ok, basically you can consider him to be top-class just by eye test. Can't argue against that. That's not how I do it. Too much bias.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ok, basically you can consider him to be top-class just by eye test. Can't argue against that. That's not how I do it.

You literally argue about objectivity... then claim it cant be about 'eye test' only and should be about stats...

Pedri has been top in number of positions.

Arguing about stats when claim Gavi is better when plays more advanced and worse stats all round.

If you want stats... dont claim Saka is better RW than Salah etc or Bellingham must be worse than any mid that gets better stats than him.

Another contradiction.

Pedri is top and can get better as can Saka as can Bellingham.

 

[serghei]

You literally argue about objectivity... then claim it is about 'eye test' only and should be about stats...

Pedri has been top in number of positions.

Arguing about stats when claim Gavi is better when plays more advanced and worse stats all round.

It's not about eye-test only . Your "eye" still has to be confirmed by the player's production numbers on the field.

 

[JamDav1982]

It's not about eye-test only . Your "eye" still has to be confirmed by the player's production numbers on the field.

So why do you rate Gavi better than Pedri? What is that based on?

Pedri played a number of positions last season including deeper in a two and CM rather than AM,

Iniesta never dominated stats, nor did likes of Silva. Hes not at their level but point remains.

Bellingham is more advanced and this season could well be some AM/CF hybryd at times if he is tip of diamond behind two wingers up top.

 

[serghei]

So why do you rate Gavi better than Pedri? What is that based on?

Pedri played a number of positions last season including deeper in a two and CM rather than AM,

Iniesta never dominated stats, nor did likes of Silva. Hes not at their level but point remains.

I don't anymore, Gavi has taken a hit last season. Very poor season by him, especially 2nd part of it.
This has nothing to do with Pedri though, he has problems also. De Jong and Gundogan are our best mids atm probably.