Ivan Rakitić

MTL_Barca

Well-known member
Theoretically it is sound but way more complicated.
This is where the mere result-orientedness comes into the picture.

Although I'm not aware of the exact figures but guess that attandence in the Camp Nou this season was lower than anytime in 8-10 years.
The reason is known and simple: the fans are not always only result-oriented, they want to see good, enjoyable, entertaining and attacking football that the players do with ease, just as it was 3-4 years ago.
The crowd is not merely interested in 1:0 or 2:1 wins - at least - at home, they want to see the style and type of game that Barca has been famous of for quite some time.

So there's the chapter when the present coach comes in, with his dull, said to be "conservative" but as a matter of fact pretty lifeless style and tactics, without the hint of creativity and fantasy.
This year RMadrid collapsed on itself with three different coaches, and even Zidan is struggling, regardless that they have brilliant individual players.
Thus winning La Liga was quite easy this year.

Does Barca have the individual players to return to the Barca style and approach? Definitely. Even the elderly ones are more or less capable, but the time has passed and selling some relics in the team doesn't mean anything if the coach stays.
The only feasible solution is to find a new coach, who can decide who are the old players he wants to keep for some time, but simultaneously finding fresh players to their places. Continuity...

If due to the "hierarchy" in the green room some remain untouchable, than the game is lost and all you will be seeing is like the present state of the team.
Thus Valverde MUST GO and there is no alternative to that.
He has to be fired (because seemingly he quite much likes his 23-24 million bucks and things just as they have been) so the board is the key at present.

The players we know, they have extremely high salaries and they will always be selfish enough to sticking to Valverde or anyone else for that matter, just because they are sticking to their own comfortable positions.

And there comes Messi's role.
With others mentioning that hundreds of times, I also think he has a tremendous weight in the forthcoming decisions. He is GOAT, he has been the sole saver of the team and EV, but most probably he is not a very analytic mind and his intellect can not cope with the present situation.

Valverde's fate will be decided at the Copa final. If the team wins, still anything can happen. If the result is not favorable, I see no pragmatic way the board can keep EV further.
But there is an alternate third possibility, something that happened many times in crisis-situations, namely that the players could force EV out by NOT winning the Copa, which anyway has little eight for them.
That's why I place the stress upon Messi, because he will be the key to all that. Not as captain who shouts and gesticulates during games (his friend does that for him), but someone who decides the fate of Barca football for the years to come.
It will not be a single Copa final, it will be the crest-line that will mark Barca football for years.

With this bad coach and key players above 30, there is no way to see something better next season. It will be inevitably worse, and that's why the new season should be started with a new coach and the very players he wants to build upon. Regardless who they are.

Not the seniors, as such, should go, but all players that will not mean a bright future under a new manager.
This is a time (and a good time) when the roots need to be touched, so definitely some will get hurt.
But in case the roots remain the same, there's no the slightest chance to see an enjoyable Barca for quite some years to come...

Agreed 100%. Selling Rakitic or any other player isn't enough of course but my post was a response to the question who could replace him and i think that's not really the most important question. There is still a lot of quality and De Jong is coming, so there isn't the need for another "world class" CM, a new manager and an overall change of attitude is more important and i think selling some of the older players is also necessary for that.
 
Last edited:

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
much much more reliable than grandpa buskets..in fact,.dejong, arthur, rakitic is not a bad midfield

In what way exactly? What does he contribute on the pitch to an extent that isn't completely below average?

Busquets was the only midfielder we had trying to bring the ball out of the back and play through Liverpool's pressure. Rakitic was absolutely nowhere to be seen when we were pinned back, literally hiding behind 2-3 markers and not doing shit for almost the entire game. Busi was actually doing a good job of it in the first half and then gassed out and got overwhelmed while Rakitic was NEVER putting in an ounce of effort to help overcome their press because he has a petrifying fear of being on the ball for more than 1 second at a time (and won't even try to get on the ball when there's pressure).

So much is also made out about Rakitic's "defensive workrate" and statistics lmfao, dude is a piss poor lazy cunt who barely wins any duels and almost NEVER extends himself or breaks out of a walk/jog. Busi had like 4 tackles and 1 interception to Rakitic's 1 and 1. And it's not just that game either, Busquets defensive stats (tackles, interceptions, aerial duels, etc) all MASSIVELY dwarf Rakitic's over the entire season in all competitions. Last season as well.

Busquets is washed up for sure and gasses out a lot especially in CL away games, but Rakitic is genuinely a far worse player than even the likes of Milner or Henderson (who bring insane energy/workrate in both offense and defense).

Rakitic on his bad days (which FAR outnumber his good ones) is not even close to a top 30-50 midfielder let alone top 5 as his fanboys kept screeching for years. Most overrated player of the 21st century.
 

Zidane82

Well-known member
In what way exactly? What does he contribute on the pitch to an extent that isn't completely below average?

Busquets was the only midfielder we had trying to bring the ball out of the back and play through Liverpool's pressure. Rakitic was absolutely nowhere to be seen when we were pinned back, literally hiding behind 2-3 markers and not doing shit for almost the entire game. Busi was actually doing a good job of it in the first half and then gassed out and got overwhelmed while Rakitic was NEVER putting in an ounce of effort to help overcome their press because he has a petrifying fear of being on the ball for more than 1 second at a time (and won't even try to get on the ball when there's pressure).

So much is also made out about Rakitic's "defensive workrate" and statistics lmfao, dude is a piss poor lazy cunt who barely wins any duels and almost NEVER extends himself or breaks out of a walk/jog. Busi had like 4 tackles and 1 interception to Rakitic's 1 and 1. And it's not just that game either, Busquets defensive stats (tackles, interceptions, aerial duels, etc) all MASSIVELY dwarf Rakitic's over the entire season in all competitions. Last season as well.

Busquets is washed up for sure and gasses out a lot especially in CL away games, but Rakitic is genuinely a far worse player than even the likes of Milner or Henderson (who bring insane energy/workrate in both offense and defense).

Rakitic on his bad days (which FAR outnumber his good ones) is not even close to a top 30-50 midfielder let alone top 5 as his fanboys kept screeching for years. Most overrated player of the 21st century.

^ This ^
 

Tekkers

New member
why does this club always struggle in getting rid of dead weight? arda, rafinha and now rakitic? if the club no longer wants you then just accept that instead of fighting it

the fact that its rumored that this guy was angered and upset by the club signing FdJ even makes it more infuriating. what were the club supposed to do? invest you for another ten years and sign no one else?

disgusting, toxic, cancerous player.
 

kilian

Senior Member
why does this club always struggle in getting rid of dead weight? arda, rafinha and now rakitic? if the club no longer wants you then just accept that instead of fighting it

the fact that its rumored that this guy was angered and upset by the club signing FdJ even makes it more infuriating. what were the club supposed to do? invest you for another ten years and sign no one else?

disgusting, toxic, cancerous player.

You are completely exaggerating.
He is nowhere near dead weight players like arda and rafinha. He`s our most used player in his 5 years here and now even at 31 we can get two or three times what we payed for him. He`s not a retard, if the board say to him he`s not wanted anymore and will be sold, he`ll accept it. Of course he wants to stay at Barca, who wouldn`t, but he never said or did anything that would suggest he will stay here no matter what.
 

Arizona Scott

New member
You are completely exaggerating.
He is nowhere near dead weight players like arda and rafinha. He`s our most used player in his 5 years here and now even at 31 we can get two or three times what we payed for him. He`s not a retard, if the board say to him he`s not wanted anymore and will be sold, he`ll accept it. Of course he wants to stay at Barca, who wouldn`t, but he never said or did anything that would suggest he will stay here no matter what.

Whoaa. Don't try to join this thread with sensibility.
 

Arizona Scott

New member
As for some other facts, Whoscored La Liga, Rakitic 7.05, Busi 7.00; CL, Raki 7.00, Busi 7.18. How about World Cup? Raki 7.33, Busi 7.02. (FYI Modric's was a tad better but close. BTW scores over 7 are very, very good--though not great.

These are adjusted for minutes played and combine all available data, not some cherry picking of certain ones to push a narrative. Pick sofascore or another cite, you will get very similar results.

Bottom line is both players have similar limitations, and similar PERFORMANCE. And yes they are the best performing of Barca's midfielders this year, all things considered, despite their limitations. I am not against selling one or both, but the idea either is a different league than the other at this point in their career has no merit.
 

Kul_z

Senior Member
As for some other facts, Whoscored La Liga, Rakitic 7.05, Busi 7.00; CL, Raki 7.00, Busi 7.18. How about World Cup? Raki 7.33, Busi 7.02. (FYI Modric's was a tad better but close. BTW scores over 7 are very, very good--though not great.

These are adjusted for minutes played and combine all available data, not some cherry picking of certain ones to push a narrative. Pick sofascore or another cite, you will get very similar results.

Bottom line is both players have similar limitations, and similar PERFORMANCE. And yes they are the best performing of Barca's midfielders this year, all things considered, despite their limitations. I am not against selling one or both, but the idea either is a different league than the other at this point in their career has no merit.

My english is not perfect, but to read your posts and understand them is somethhing i cant take seriously. Bottom line, i think everybody on this forum is aware of the fact that rakitic and busi are wc mf's but they cant play together, never should.
 

Andrew M

New member
why does this club always struggle in getting rid of dead weight? arda, rafinha and now rakitic? if the club no longer wants you then just accept that instead of fighting it

the fact that its rumored that this guy was angered and upset by the club signing FdJ even makes it more infuriating. what were the club supposed to do? invest you for another ten years and sign no one else?

disgusting, toxic, cancerous player.

We got rid of Digne and Mina and it looks like Andre Gomes will get a decent fee this summer tbf
 

SeloBarca

Senior Member
Rakitic is not bad, but hes over 30 now and he doesnt contribute anything others can do aswell.
Than its only logical to move onto players that can progress.
And better to sell while we can still get a good price.
 

Home of Barca Fans

Top