Joan Laporta
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malvolio
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in the context of judging his presidency? of course it matters. otherwise what is the point of the candidacy and the whole election circus?
so far laporta has the following:
- promised to keep messi but didn't deliver
- didn't get rid of any of the big flops in the squad(dembele, coutinho, griezmann, umtiti, pjanic)
- tried to get rid of koeman but failed(didn't promise that in his campaign, but the circus around the situation could have been avoided)
+ has managed to get some players on free trasnfers and moderate wages
+ has sold some players that were not barca quality, getting some good amounts in the process
+ agreed to wage cuts/deferrals with some players
Right, you're the expert so the only possible scenarios are the 3 that you presented huh
Again, he fully believed he would be able to sign Messi and said so. Messi himself said so too. Things out of their control prevented it from happening, it's as simple as that. You can judge someone on what they promise and deliver, but you also have to be aware of the context. We were given the context very clearly as to why the re-signing couldn't happen so if you choose to not believe that and create your own scenarios making Laporta or Messi himself ''the big baddie'', you're not being a realistic critic anymore.
Wouldn't extending have caused the same problems? Messi's wage with his previous contract was waayyyyy too high for us, that's why the first point of negotiation was for Messi to lower his wages by 50%. For the politician comparison, again context matters. Is the politician saying that in the first few months of him being elected, or 3 years after he's been elected?
Laporta had to deal with Messi's contract almost immediately after getting elected, while simultaneously they were running the audit and actually finding out just how bad the financial situation truly was. Fixing this shit takes time, and besides losing Messi, Laporta has already done some good work for the long-term, by earning 118m from player sales this summer and lowering the wages of several senior players.
That's how this stuff works, step-by-step. If Messi's contract was expiring next summer, renewing it would be no problem, but he had to do it in our current situation, which is an absolute mess - and not something a new president can fix in his first few months. And even then, from his side and Messi's side it could've been done (which is already an achievement because remember, Messi 100% wanted to leave last year, so even changing his mind on this was a mission in itself), but obstacles kept being added on with Tebas' obsession of the TV rights deal and it just made it impossible sadly. But that context matters, the deal didn't happen because one or the other side didn't want it to - it just couldn't be done.
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Raketa10
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Resigning was impossible but extending was not. Those are two different categories. If Messi was extended in June we wouldn't have problems with registering him. The real question here is did Laporta even want him to extend or not?
If Laporta wanted him out in order to start a new cycle now and not in 2023, I am fine with that. Problem is that majority of his presidential campaign was based on extending Messi's contract. Therefore, he was either lying from the start and he used the biggest legend of the club to win the elections or he was unprepared as it gets. It looks bad in both cases.
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JamDav1982
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What was out of the control from the club or Messi to renew before his contract expired?
His wages, for one. Extending an already existing contract you can only reduce the wages by a certain amount. It had to be a fresh start to allow for Messi's wages to be 50% lower, plus probably all the bonuses and stuff lower as well.
That's the last point I blame Laporta for. Just a wild guess, but he's probably better connected than Font, who I don't see solving this issue either (or anyone for that matter - Font is the benchmark though).
We will see in a year or two if Laporta did well (or not) when they present their numbers. There's not much transparency in football (regarding contracts etc pp).
malvolio
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for now it's a minus on laporta. maybe he has a plan going forward. but doesn't absolve him if you want to asses his first 6 months in office.
Right, you're the expert so the only possible scenarios are the 3 that you presented huh
Again, he fully believed he would be able to sign Messi and said so. Messi himself said so too. Things out of their control prevented it from happening, it's as simple as that. You can judge someone on what they promise and deliver, but you also have to be aware of the context. We were given the context very clearly as to why the re-signing couldn't happen so if you choose to not believe that and create your own scenarios making Laporta or Messi himself ''the big baddie'', you're not being a realistic critic anymore.
yes mate. otherwise it means he was just naive in thinking things will somehow come along. you don't run a business by believing in stuff.
messi just repeated what laporta told him.
if things weren't in his control initially then why didn't he tell that from the beginning? be brave and say that messi renewal is an unknown and hard to pull off.
JamDav1982
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That was debunked.
It doesnt have to be a fresh contract to reduce wages... look at what players are doing right now in the squad with current contracts.
There was no reason not to renew Messi before it expired if plan was to keep him.
FinBarcelonafan
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So this summer is basically cleaning job
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