Joan Laporta

[serghei]

Everyone with a brain that could see the context going on knew Barca wasn't a 9th placed team, obviously, you have to be a real idiot to have thought that.

Sometimes you need to do deeper analysis of things rather than just 'X team won this so they are good' 'X team placed here so they must be bad' more context and factors go into those situations than that.

True. It wasn't a 9th placed team which is why all wanted Koeman gone.

Deeper analysis? When the team showed they weren't ready to challenge in CL last season, did you think for a second that maybe the team is not as good as to beat Inter?

No. Xavi is incompetent. You can frame everything almost to make you look right.

Team wins La Liga? I told you the squad is amazing. Xavi didn't do much, the team is that good.

Team gets exposed in CL groups? The team is still amazing, but Xavi is shit.

Give me a break...

 

[ajnotkeith]

True. It wasn't a 9th placed team which is why all wanted Koeman gone.

Deeper analysis? When the team showed they weren't ready to challenge in CL last season, did you think for a second that maybe the team is not as good as you think?

No. Xavi is incompetent. You can frame everything almost to make you look right.

Xavi isnt incompetent. I think he's decent and certainly better than Koeman (whilst receiving more support) but has a lot of improvement before he can be considered one of the best coaches, which is expected for Barca.

 

[JamDav1982]

The team were more than good enough to get past Inter in CL.

Xavi coached CL badly as did Frankfurt the season before when pot 1 place up for grabs.

Indeed he did and needs to have learnd from it.

Ultimately the coach is the one responsible. Thats how it is.

Just as he gets credit for league win.

 

[serghei]

Like I said. Team is amazing, so when it wins, the squad is great, when it loses, Xavi was shit and failed.

That's what "predictors" are on this forum. Professional manipulators out of desperate need to be right. If you had guts, you'd adjust your opinion to fit reality, but you prefer to twist the reality to fit your prediction instead.

The reality is that Barca are good enough to beat most teams in La Liga, but not good enough yet to beat the better sides in CL. You can either accept it, and form your opinion around that, or pretend otherwise.

 

[JamDav1982]

So the rules are what?

Real need to go deep in CL and beat top 4 EPL sides etc to still be better than Barca?

Could beat Man Utd/Newcastle in CL and get fucked by City for example and lose league to Barca but as long as Barca dont go far in CL Real are better.

Top rules.

 

[JamDav1982]

Like I said. Team is amazing, so when it wins, the squad is great, when it loses, Xavi was shit and failed.

That's what "predictors" are on this forum. Professional manipulators out of desperate need to be right. If you had guts, you'd adjust your opinion to fit reality, but you prefer to twist the reality to fit your prediction.

The reality is that Barca are good enough to beat most teams in La Liga, but not good enough to beat the better sides in CL. You can either accept it, and make your opinion around that, or pretend otherwise.

Nope.. the squad is good and Xavi like all coaches takes ultimate responsibilty when lose and most credit when win.

You want Xavi to get credit for league and claim not good enough to beat Inter/Man Utd etc when can beat Real to league and beat them multiple times during season.

Doesnt work like that.

Xavi made a lot of mistakes in Europe. Needs to recitify them.

While he made changes to team in league that worked and took Barca to league title.. and not just because the superior Real couldnt be fucked trying as made out.

That claim about Real is a bigger shot at Xavi than anything about mistakes he made in CL.

 

[serghei]

The rules of the game are as simple as they get. Barca make it far in CL they arrive as a top 4-5 club, where Madrid already are. They don't, it means they are not ready yet for this important step.

There's nothing to predict here. It's simple steps you have to check in order to become a main contender at the top.

 

[ajnotkeith]

The rules of the game are as simple as it gets. Barca make it far in CL they arrive as a top 5 club, where Madrid already are.

So only CL counts now and not league games, not even direct head to head against Madrid... meanwhile only thing that is held up to judge Xavi is league and if use CL to judge Xavi you are a manipulator.
Both of them matter, not just CL, not just LaLiga, both of them get used to evaluate teams. Xavi can get credit for the league win and also criticism for the CL exits.

I get dizzy reading these posts, lol. Have a nice day guys.

 

[serghei]

CL and League counts. Madrid won a league + CL double last year. Now I am not absurd to think we need to do that as well, because it's tremendously hard to do, but still, making at least a CL quarters should be obligatory to aim for a top 4 status. With a good draw, maybe a semifinal should be the minimum.

 

[JamDav1982]

The rules of the game are as simple as they get. Barca make it far in CL they arrive as a top 4-5 club, where Madrid already are. They don't, it means they are not ready yet for this important step.

There's nothing to predict here. It's simple steps you have to check in order to become a main contender at the top.

So back to being all about CL again....

Fairly devaluing the domestic title.

Numpty rules set to try and keep Real as better than Barca.

 

[serghei]

So back to being all about CL again....

Fairly devaluing the domestic title.

Numpty rules set to try and keep Real as better than Barca.

I already told you. Madrid won 2 of the last 4 league titles I think. So, over a sample size that is longer than just a season, they also dominate La Liga.

 

[JamDav1982]

CL and League counts. Madrid won a league + CL double last year. Now I am not absurd to think we need to do that as well, because it's tremendously hard to do, but still, making at least a CL quarters should be obligatory to aim at a top 4 status.

Yes they both count... and Barca were better than Real last season when take both into account....'winning matters'.

So what do Real have to do to prove they are indeed better than Barca?

Just another run in CL whether get humiliated by first top team they meet or not.

League doesnt matter again now.

Always the same ... league is huge when it comes to Xavi but when want to gush for Real only CL matters.

 

[JamDav1982]

I already told you. Madrid won 2 of the last 4 league titles I think.

Indeed and same rationale you used to argue Real would win the league for years and not the case.

The point is where the teams are now.

Barca were better last season.

Thats the closest we have to compare.

 

[serghei]

Sample size. If we repeat the league title this year... and Madrid flop in CL, then we probably go ahead of them even without CL top results. We are not even close to establish a league dominance over Madrid. It's very early for that.

 

[JamDav1982]

Sample size. If we repeat the league title this year... and Madrid flop in CL, then we probably go ahead of them even without CL top results. We are not even close to establish a league dominance over Madrid. It's very early for that.

No not 'sample size' as that was your same rationale for why Real better last season and Barca couldnt win.

Barca were better last season.

Why would Barca need to win league and Real flop? Why would Barca winning the league and Real not winning CL be enough? Due to trophies 3 years prior?

If Barca win league and Real dont win CL then Barca are better again. Simple.