Lionel Messi - v7

[serghei]

Thats a textbook example how bayern was pulling our players out of their positions. Pique by being far right covering for semedo/roberto was an initial mistake that led to bayerns advantage to exploit free spaces in other parts of the field

No, the moment when Alphonso goes on a run and attacks the center, he is in the position to cause danger. Look at the image. Muller is already showing him to pass the ball to him because he is open. Look at his hands (basically he tells Alphonso, here, I'm open). The main reason why Davies goes for the back-pass here and doesn't attempt to play decisive is because he is pressed well by Semedo. The player that is best placed to counter that run by Davies is Semedo.

The play is probably solved before it even begins if Messi keeps shape. We didn't got fucked because we didn't allow Alphonso a free run in the center. That's crazy.

If Messi is where he should be I wouldn't be surprised to see Davies pass it back all the way to the CBs. Especially if Suarez closes a bit on Goretzka.

lets agree to disagree.
You think that messi is our biggest burden, i think that system is our biggest burden, playing players that dont fit and that we dont have a clear formation.

You cant play all season long in one, attacking formation and then in toughest matches change it to 'cover the cracks' formation.

Defensively? No doubt imo. Biggest burden and hardest to overcome. Cover the cracks formation lost 0-7 combined to Roma and Liverpool.

 

[Kul_z]

No, the moment when Alphonso goes on a run and attacks the center, he is in the position to cause danger. Look at the image. Muller is already showing him to pass the ball to him because he is open. Look at his hands (basically he tells Alphonso, here, I'm open). The main reason why Davies goes for the back-pass here and doesn't attempt to play decisive is because he is pressed well by Semedo. The player that is best placed to counter that run by Davies is Semedo.

The play is probably solved before it even begins if Messi keeps shape. We didn't got fucked because we didn't allow Alphonso a free run in the center. That's crazy.

If Messi is where he should be I wouldn't be surprised to see Davies pass it back all the way to the CBs. Especially if Suarez closes a bit on Goretzka.

Ok. Semedo is well placed, but roberto is failing big time. Pique would move more centraly with de jong in front of him and muller is blocked.

 

[serghei]

Ok. Semedo is well placed, but roberto is failing big time. Pique would move more centraly with de jong in front of him and muller is blocked.

Indeed, Roberto made a mistake. In the match video he knows he made a mistake and he forgot about Perisic so he goes quickly to correct it but it is too late because Perisic is already in acceleration running at him. Maybe if he was better 1 vs 1 and quicker, with better tackling he could've saved it even under those conditions, but he also lacks that.

Semedo is not completely faultless either. A smarter player would have seen Alphonso has a quick escape pass to Thiago and should've been more cautious as well. But we're already talking about advanced stuff. Like the ability to think ahead a bit and anticipate what is going to happen. He probably has his tunnel vision on Alphonso and doesn't see the bigger picture. He'd need to spend a few years under some elite manager to maybe hope to develop that understanding. If at all.

 

[Messigician]

Imagine dissecting a 8-2 defeat lmfao.

We were shite end of!

 

[ItachiXXX]

You really are an idiot.

Coming from a Setien fanboy, yeah sure 😂

Messi was a defensive liability when theyre winning he was a defensive liability when they're losing. But forum de amigos trying so hard to annalyze the Bayern game. Barca squad is mediocre without Messi, full of overhype forum de amigos favorites and a bunch of oldies. And dont forget Barca with a master tactician Setien

 

[Respekt_III]

Coming from a Setien fanboy, yeah sure ��

You add absolutely nothing to any discussion and talk absolute shit; If you're going to claim something at least make it relatively believable.

The sooner you are banned the better.

 

[ItachiXXX]

lets agree to disagree.
You think that messi is our biggest burden, i think that system is our biggest burden, playing players that dont fit and that we dont have a clear formation.

You cant play all season long in one, attacking formation and then in toughest matches change it to 'cover the cracks' formation.

Imagine calling Messi as the biggest burden for Barca. entitled forum de amigos

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

Bartemou will ask Messi to lower his salary. He wants to meet him as soon as possible , Barcelona are facing the biggest financial crisis in their History[Cuatro]

 

[ItachiXXX]

Bartemou will ask Messi to lower his salary. He wants to meet him as soon as possible , Barcelona are facing the biggest financial crisis in their History[Cuatro]

😂

 

[Birdy]

lets agree to disagree.
You think that messi is our biggest burden, i think that system is our biggest burden, playing players that dont fit and that we dont have a clear formation.

You cant play all season long in one, attacking formation and then in toughest matches change it to 'cover the cracks' formation.

Under Valverde and his low block of 4-4-2 there was a clear formation, and players would not lose their positioning because they were not instructed to press, like they unsuccessfully tried to against Bayern.
Still, the outcome was Rome and Anfield. So the problem was not incorrect positioning (at least the main problem).
Good and mediocre sides alike pinning us back into the box and bombarding, and the whole team looking helpless.
So your argument is weakened in light of the recent past.

It's a question if in modern football there is any chance if a team plays that kind of deep block defense (see Atletico recently being so inadequate), but even if we assume it is still possible you need all 10 outfield players to contribute and not just the 8 of them

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

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Apparently he will ask the whole squad for a salary Cut.

 

[xxxxxx]

Bartomeu is trying to piss Messi off even more. Imagine asking him to lower his salary when you know he already wants to leave. Especially when you're forcing him to be here.

If you're not happy with his big salary, why not try and attract bids for him? You'll get a good fee for him and get his massive salary off the books. Besides, it's not like we're struggling for players in the CAM position.

Bartomeu, it's your fault we're in this fucking mess! You signed overrated players for big fees. Then you continued to give declining players bigger salaries.

 

[Messi983]

Bartomeu is trying to piss Messi off even more. Imagine asking him to lower his salary when you know he already wants to leave. Especially when you're forcing him to be here.

If you're not happy with his big salary, why not try and attract bids for him? You'll get a good fee for him and get his massive salary off the books. Besides, it's not like we're struggling for players in the CAM position.

Can't attract bids if Messi believes he's free to sign with anyone he wants. Also, no club would pay a significant fee for Messi and give him his high wages.

And no, Bartomeu is not trying to upset Messi. He'll ask a whole team to take pay cut not just Messi but of course as a club captain Messi is one of the players who he'll want to talk with.

 

[Kul_z]

Indeed, Roberto made a mistake. In the match video he knows he made a mistake and he forgot about Perisic so he goes quickly to correct it but it is too late because Perisic is already in acceleration running at him. Maybe if he was better 1 vs 1 and quicker, with better tackling he could've saved it even under those conditions, but he also lacks that.

Semedo is not completely faultless either. A smarter player would have seen Alphonso has a quick escape pass to Thiago and should've been more cautious as well. But we're already talking about advanced stuff. Like the ability to think ahead a bit and anticipate what is going to happen. He probably has his tunnel vision on Alphonso and doesn't see the bigger picture. He'd need to spend a few years under some elite manager to maybe hope to develop that understanding. If at all.

Maybe setien advised him to man mark davies all along, we dont know, but that tunnel vision you said was true, and bayern players have taken what was given.
All in all, lets hope koemann finds everyone place where they fit, improve stammina and we'll see what would we get from this season.

 

[Kul_z]

Under Valverde and his low block of 4-4-2 there was a clear formation, and players would not lose their positioning because they were not instructed to press, like they unsuccessfully tried to against Bayern.
Still, the outcome was Rome and Anfield. So the problem was not incorrect positioning (at least the main problem).
Good and mediocre sides alike pinning us back into the box and bombarding, and the whole team looking helpless.
So your argument is weakened in light of the recent past.

It's a question if in modern football there is any chance if a team plays that kind of deep block defense (see Atletico recently being so inadequate), but even if we assume it is still possible you need all 10 outfield players to contribute and not just the 8 of them

Liverpool and roma beat us on intensity and stammina. They overrunned us. Add to that some mistakes and you get what you get. Vidal, busquets rakitic mf on anfield? Lmao.
In all those defeats, i repeat, we lacked pace upfront. We need someone that should put opposition defensive line on high alert with runs behind. We are lacking that massively.
Wider the field, more running they need to make. More energy is wasted for them. A lot of little things could be achieved that would go in our way by only that, but its not that im saying that would solve all our problems.