Lionel Messi - v7

[eaman]

That just shows you are looking at it with bias and think that anyone who does not think same way is not sensible.

I did say maybe. But seriously who would you have voted for in those years between messi and ronaldo?

 

[JamDav1982]

I did say maybe. But seriously who would you have voted for in those years between messi and ronaldo?

Be very close and Ronaldo deserved a lot of them for way was so dominant in CL even if prefer Messi as player. Ronaldo in CL was a different animal and Messi level dropped too often in recent years.

 

[eaman]

No journalists would be the third to rate on opinion rather than players or coaches.

It is why it is the awards which incorporate those in football that mean the most to them as voted by fellow professionals.

Regardless either way the media have also voted Ronaldo better in four of last five years so original point stands.

Logically those that are involved in football and have the better understanding is the view that is held in higher esteem. There is zero doubt that being voted by fellow pros means more than a journalists award.

But most players dont see as many games as journalists or us fans. Some are only voting on the times they played against players. Some dont even watch or like watching football besides a game or two here and there which annoys the shit out of me but that's a different discussion

 

[Daniele]

No journalists would be the third to rate on opinion rather than players or coaches.

It is why it is the awards which incorporate those in football that mean the most to them as voted by fellow professionals.

Regardless either way the media have also voted Ronaldo better in four of last five years so original point stands.

Logically those that are involved in football and have the better understanding is the view that is held in higher esteem. There is zero doubt that being voted by fellow pros means more than a journalists award.

Okay, according to your logic then painters have better knowledge of painting than art historians and singers can better judge a song than music critics. OOOkkkk

 

[JamDav1982]

Okay, according to your logic then painters have better knowledge of painting than art historians and singers can better judge a song than music critics. OOOkkkk

Again.... media/journalists voted Ronaldo better player four of the last five seasons. So even though you are wrong it matters not a jot to the original point.

In football the opinions of fellow pros is held in far higher regard that journalists... the type who voted Michael Owen as best in world in 2002.

 

[Birdy]

Let's assume critics know better.

We are talking about the last 5 years.
How does that invalidate the criticism towards Messi expressed here and elsewhere for his performances in 2020?

 

[Daniele]

Again.... media/journalists voted Ronaldo better player four of the last five seasons. So even though you are wrong it matters not a jot to the original point.

In football the opinions of fellow pros is held in far higher regard that journalists... the type who voted Michael Owen as best in world in 2002.

Let's assume critics know better.

We are talking about the last 5 years.
How does that invalidate the criticism towards Messi expressed here and elsewhere for his performances in 2020?

I repeat,
I am not interested in anything about the Messi Ronaldo diatribe.
(Everyone sees it as he wants, for me the supremacy of Messi is objective. I imagine that for you it is not so and that you have seen all Juve matches like me ... Points of view).

At the same time, if anyone wants to criticize the Messi of 2020, go ahead.
For me, Messi in 2020 remains among the top 5/10 strongest players in the world.

Cheers

 

[JamDav1982]

I repeat,
I am not interested in anything about the Messi Ronaldo diatribe.
(Everyone sees it as he wants, for me the supremacy of Messi is objective. I imagine that for you it is not so and that you have seen all Juve matches like me ... Points of view).

At the same time, if anyone wants to criticize the Messi of 2020, go ahead.
For me, Messi in 2020 remains among the top 5/10 strongest players in the world.

Cheers

Ah now that these 'football historians' in the media are shown to vote Ronaldo in those years no longer interested. Got it.

Strange to quote me under someone else but irrelevant.

The oldest and most pathetic comeback when all other points failed....'I watch more football than you'.

 

[eaman]

Be very close and Ronaldo deserved a lot of them for way was so dominant in CL even if prefer Messi as player. Ronaldo in CL was a different animal and Messi level dropped too often in recent years.

But ronaldo did win the awards the years he won the champions league

 

[feggydinho]

Arguing against the fact that Messi has a free role at Barca is as dumb as it gets. I advise you to visit an ophthalmologist.

Lol, why the argument, Messi obviously has a free role. it's obvious in most of his matches.

 

[JamDav1982]

But ronaldo did win the awards the years he won the champions league

Indeed he did and he was breaking records right left and centre to win it.

 

[Daniele]

Ah now that these 'football historians' in the media are shown to vote Ronaldo in those years no longer interested. Got it.

Strange to quote me under someone else but irrelevant.

sorry but I think we don't understand each other.
The discussion arose because in my opinion the Guardian ranking is interesting and valid.
You argued that the opinion of the players was more important.
I have demonstrated with logic that this is not the case.
You assert that football critics have voted Ronaldo better in recent years: but apart from the fact that you can't support this thesis (do you know the opinion of all football critics ???), and then: what does it matter if they prefer Messi or Ronaldo? This discussion was not about "who is better between Messi or Ronaldo", but "the Guardian ranking is interesting".
At least that's what I wanted to express. I hope we understand each other

 

[JamDav1982]

sorry but I think we don't understand each other.
The discussion arose because in my opinion the Guardian ranking is interesting and valid.
You argued that the opinion of the players was more important.
I have demonstrated with logic that this is not the case.
You assert that football critics have voted Ronaldo better in recent years: but apart from the fact that you can't support this thesis (do you know the opinion of all football critics ???), and then: what does it matter if they prefer Messi or Ronaldo? This discussion was not about "who is better between Messi or Ronaldo", but "the Guardian ranking is interesting".
At least that's what I wanted to express. I hope we understand each other

You claimed media opinion is the most credible. I disagree but either way Ronaldo was voted ahead of Messi in four of last five years when take into widespread media opinion.

If same Guradian article voted Ronaldo ahead of Messi you would ignore it.

As said you just pick one that agrees and decide they are most credible.

There is zero logic in attributing art historians to football media vs those involved in football. The fact you think that is logical is enough for me to not even bother to labour on that one.

I can support it... Balondor is media driven. Three in last four seasons Ronaldo voted ahead of Messi. This season in FIFA vote media voted him ahead again.

 

[eaman]

Indeed he did and he was breaking records right left and centre to win it.

Ok and I'm not saying he didnt deserve them that year. I thought you were saying journalists gave more votes to ronaldo in the years messi won.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ok and I'm not saying he didnt deserve them that year. I thought you were saying journalists gave more votes to ronaldo in the years messi won.

No I never said that.