Lionel Messi - v7

[DonAK]

Its frustration when 3 years in a row you see (I see at least from my POV) one of the core issues that creates a bad domino effect on the club I love not being acknowledged and not being resolved while everyone is in denial. Other clubs have moved on from legends and settled for few years of healthy transition without much trophies in hope to jump at it once again in the near future (Madrid for example) .. meanwhile our denial has caused both not to win titles in the short run and to delay a healthy recovery in the long run

I understand, but there's been a change in board and President at the club.

Let them at least work first and see what happens.

 

[soul24rage]

Its frustration when 3 years in a row you see (I see at least from my POV) one of the core issues that creates a bad domino effect in the club I love not being acknowledged and not being resolved while everyone is in denial. Other clubs have moved on from legends and settled for few years of healthy transition without much trophies in hope to jump at it once again in the near future (Madrid for example) .. meanwhile our denial has caused both not to win titles in the short run and to delay a healthy recovery in the long run

You're not the only one frustrated.

Let's hope with a better president like Laporta and not with an incompetent git like Bartomeu, things will be better.

 

[Rory]

The mass majority of the revenue we get from Messi is from shirt sales and people visiting the stadium. Due to COVID, Messi's revenue intake would have been way down, so we can't use that to justify the kind of money he's getting. Yes, he was great from January till April this year. But he didn't play well from September till the end of December.

The problem is, he's still going to be getting around 500k a week, a big signing-on fee and a 33m loyalty fee. Kinda crazy for a 34-year-old. Let's be honest here, we don't know what kind of Messi we're going to get next season. Will he be motivated? What happens if we're struggling next season?

Regardless, he's made his decision. He best put in his best, and he best not dare moan and sulk on the pitch if things are going badly. He had a chance to leave. He can't blame Bartomeu on that one.

He signed that original contract years before covid became a thing, was he supposed to know it would happen? Now that covid is a reality it sounds like he's taking a pay cut. So until we find out details of the new contract how can you get pissy with him on how much money he'll make. He generates lots of revenue, shirt sales, stadium visits and tickets will happen next season. Can guarantee that with no Messi in the team people would be less likely to buy anything barca related. Then there's the sponsorship deals that are only so lucrative because we have Messi.

I don't focus on the money a player makes when he actually contributes to the club, not just commercially but sporting wise. Coutinho, Dembele, Griezmann offer virtually nothing commercially and very little sporting-wise. And yet it's all Messi's fault.

No one wants to see Messi sulk and moan on the pitch next year but why don't we wait to see if it happens instead of preemptively moaning about it?

 

[xxxxxx]

So after having another good season here, being by far our best player, you deem him a loser if he stays. Because he should go and win stuff elsewhere. What club are you supporting?

Was there any other free striker of Aguero's level on the market? Have you talked to Laporta or Messi? When did Messi tried to bring one of his friends at the club in the past? So basically a load of shite that you choose to believe.
Why he passed to Suarez when he had great chemistry with him and the other attacking players were other shite or mostly injured? All this while we played 442 and those 2 were our attackers?
Of course Messi sulks when he sees that others are not up to scratch. Do you think he enjoys seeing us fail?

He has been motivated this season with our worst squad since he came at the club. How do you know he won't be motivated next season when we might have a better one?

Well.... that should prove I care more about the club than some player if I don't care if he's here or not. I just want to see him putting in his best ALL SEASON and not sulk on the pitch like he has been for the past 3 seasons.

Well, he has no right to sulk or moan next season if we're struggling. He can't complain about not having a competitive team. He chose to stay here. Also, instead of him sulking and blaming his teammates, he should get behind them and be the captain he should be.

Anyway, I'm still going to get behind the team. We've been shit for most of the season and had our worst season in quite some time. I'm sure we'll be even worse next season. But I'll still be supporting them.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Better days will come guys, in germany we say 'After every thunderstorm the sun shines'

 

[Rory]

True I think Messi should just smile every time the team let's a shit goal in like Lenglet does when he makes a mistake. That's way better than getting annoyed at your teammates. Honestly. Getting pissed off at your teammates is a normal part of the game. This isn't some club with 5 year olds who might cry if you get angry with them. Well except for Alba.

 

[xxxxxx]

True I think Messi should just smile every time the team let's a shit goal in like Lenglet does when he makes a mistake. That's way better than getting annoyed at your teammates. Honestly. Getting pissed off at your teammates is a normal part of the game. This isn't some club with 5 year olds who might cry if you get angry with them. Well except for Alba.

That's not the point we're making. He has no right to complain about his teammates being shit or not doing well, or not having a competitive team next season when he had the chance to leave this summer. Nobody forced him to stay. He can't blame Bartomeu on this one.

Anyway, we'll see how it goes.

 

[Rory]

That's not the point we're making. He has no right to complain about his teammates being shit or not doing well, or not having a competitive team next season when he had the chance to leave this summer. Nobody forced him to stay. He can't blame Bartomeu on this one.

Anyway, we'll see how it goes.

A player is allowed to say the team needs to be of a higher level whilst also wishing to stay. They're not mutually exclusive. And on the pitch if your teammates are playing shit you're allowed to have a go at them. Can't believe what I'm reading. It just seems really immature like "Well if you don't like it then leave". No, where's the nuance? Where's the let's sit and think about this? Where's the analysis of things?

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

All I'm going to say is: Stop fucking complaining when the player hasn't even joined officially yet, when the summer transfer market have barely started, when most of us know absolutely nothing about what will happen during the summer or next season.

Now if Aguero is the starting striker and absolutely STINKS next season then sure, complain and bitch all you want. I'll be there with you guys.

But god....stop fucking complaining all the fucking time. Especially when the date today is May 22nd and the season haven't even officially ended yet.

Good post!

We can start complaining when shit hit the fan but now whatever. Let's enjoy!

 

[Porque]

There is truth to an extent though. Last year he wanted to leave citing he wanted a more competitive team.

This summer he has complete free will to determine his option. If he stays and Barcelona do not produce a competitive team, he forfeits the right to mope about it.

 

[DonAK]

There is truth to an extent though. Last year he wanted to leave citing he wanted a more competitive team.

This summer he has complete free will to determine his option. If he stays and Barcelona do not produce a competitive team, he forfeits the right to mope about it.

Which is why I assume he'll wait to commit to a renewal or a new team for as long as he can. To see if Barca can work some magic and produce a more competitive team for next season

 

[xxxxxx]

A player is allowed to say the team needs to be of a higher level whilst also wishing to stay. They're not mutually exclusive. And on the pitch if your teammates are playing shit you're allowed to have a go at them. Can't believe what I'm reading. It just seems really immature like "Well if you don't like it then leave". No, where's the nuance? Where's the let's sit and think about this? Where's the analysis of things?

He's the captain and should get behind his players, not hide in the corner shaking his head and sulking when we've conceded one goal. That's what captains are supposed to do.

We're simply saying that he has no right to sulk and moan about his team doing shit next season when he had the chance to leave in the summer. He can't complain about the lack of quality or the team not being competitive when he had the chance to leave.

Now, we could have a great season and win it all. But the odds are, we're not going to do that. It's probably going to be a similar season. The squad is one year older, we don't have a good manager and our quality isn't great. Players like Garcia, Depay and Aguero coming won't make us that much stronger. Then.... we can't expect a 34-year-old Messi to carry us.

Anyway, Messi has made his decision and he has to face the potential consequences if things go badly.

 

[serghei]

Only problem that lead to fewer trophies is the god awful recruitment. I really hope you don?t go down this path again of everything being Messi?s fault.

Every time we got recruitment right it lead to success. Handling Messi is essentially about making sure we?re getting the best out of him. But we signed Coutinho, Dembele, Griezmann, Lenglet, Semedo, Turan, Braithwaite, Trincao, the list goes on

No, tbh Messi's behavior is unlikable imo (in many cases), but the club fucked up the most by far, and by club I mean Bartomeu and his crooks. You're right, if you recruit better and name better managers Messi and Barca win about 2 CLs more than just the 1 in 2015 in the last decade. Most likely. 1 in 10 years with Messi is a terrible performance. Messi's to blame as well, but not as much as the board.

 

[xxxxxx]

A better and reliable source has said Messi hasn't decided yet:

https://twitter.com/moillorens/stat...^1396103395816136707|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=

I think he's waiting till he has a proper talk with Laporta and seeing what players he can sign. I personally think Messi will make his decision after the Copa America.

 

[KingLeo10]

You can bet EVERYTHING you have that the same suspects complaining about Messi staying would be the first to label him a coward and an opportunist and a traitor for leaving to PSG or City.

When that's the case, it's not a legitimate complaint. It's simply agenda.