Lionel Messi - v7

[malvolio]

Never seen a bigger idiot on this forum than serghei. The amount of nit picking to suit his agenda is just staggering. He makes it seem like Messi is the cancer of this club.

Go suck some more on Griezmann's, "defensive contribution" or Setien's brilliant football mate. Your beyond shameless at this point.

 

[serghei]

Off the ball with Messi is like playing with 10 men for most of the game. If 1 player wouldn't make a big difference, a red card wouldn't be such a big disadvantage in football.

Never seen a bigger idiot on this forum than serghei. The amount of nit picking to suit his agenda is just staggering. He makes it seem like Messi is the cancer of this club.

Go suck some more on Griezmann's, "defensive contribution" or Setien's brilliant football mate. Your beyond shameless at this point.

Let it all out. Like Jordi Alba.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Barca has played their best football (2008-2012, 2015) when Messi ran a lot. Coincidence ? No.

 

[soul24rage]

Even in more atheltic team there is the issue of where to play Messi to get best out of him and team.

Cant play him RW as skews whole balance of team.

Can only really see him at AM with a CF forward who pivot with him and do the pressing/defending.

The way Argentina set up with narrow front three works well but top CL teams and full backs they have will kill that out wide.

Messi still the best on ball for most part but fitting him into a team without compensating too many other positions is becoming increasingly harder.

The RCM and the LCM in the Argentina side provide the width while the full backs stay behind to prevent counter attacks from the wide areas.

But since international level teams are not as high quality as the CL teams, maybe Argentina can get pass by in that regards.

 

[soul24rage]

No, because if you have a player who is not respecting the positioning or doesn't want to defend, it ruins the shape of the whole team. It's like a boat that has 1 big hole instead of 4 holes. It still sinks.

For the pressing to work, and for the pressure to be hard to escape from, you need EVERYBODY pulling their weight of the ball.

True for 99.9% of the players, but most coaches including Klopp would make exceptions for GOATS like Messi and Ronaldo

 

[serghei]

The RCM and the LCM in the Argentina side provide the width while the full backs stay behind to prevent counter attacks from the wide areas.

But since international level teams are not as high quality as the CL teams, maybe Argentina can get pass by in that regards.

Especially this part. A top 3 team would murder any NT side let alone that Argentina who needed extra time to beat Switzerland.

True for 99.9% of the players, but most coaches including Klopp would make exceptions for GOATS like Messi and Ronaldo

They wouldn't. You can make some compromise, but not in this area. If Messi had other flaws those could be covered. But those he has are huge at this point in European football. If this was the 90's or early 00's those could be dealt with.

Maybe Pep would since his defense is crap either way .

 

[JamDav1982]

The RCM and the LCM in the Argentina side provide the width while the full backs stay behind to prevent counter attacks from the wide areas.

But since international level teams are not as high quality as the CL teams, maybe Argentina can get pass by in that regards.

The fullbacks for Argentina do provide the width more than the RCM and LCM.

They are just not pure wingers up the park and Argentina try to go early when front three get it so less need for them to be the 'wingers'.

Barca wont set up like that and top CL teams will be diiificult to stop due to the full backs at that level.

 

[Kul_z]

So, make a separation between goals and assists vs Celta Vigo, and Eibar, and Valladoild, most of those at home on Camp Nou even, and other mediocre or low level teams in La Liga. And goals and assists vs the best sides in CL.

Messi, with few exceptions, is a flat track bully now at 33, with huge fundamental problems to his game, that serious teams exploit easily. Probably his only ability that has remained great vs big teams is set pieces. No wonder, they require minimal movement.

He declined. Needs to go and allow us to rebuild.

Lmao. Chelsea, napoli, liverpool, borussia dortmund, inter, juventus, tottenham, man utd say hi.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

The best agreement for Messi is that he is allowed to be free from defence contribution against la liga teams (beside atletico, Real) and against small teams in CL. By the way we should rest him more, he played every match since restart, WTF this man is 33 give him rest.

 

[serghei]

Lmao. Chelsea, napoli, liverpool, borussia dortmund, inter, juventus, tottenham, man utd say hi.

Most of those are in previous years dude. I'm talking present day. 1-2 years are a lot for old players.

 

[soul24rage]

Especially this part. A top 3 team would murder any NT side let alone that Argentina who needed extra time to beat Switzerland.



They wouldn't. You can make some compromise, but not in this area. If Messi had other flaws those could be covered. But those he has are huge at this point in European football. If this was the 90's or early 00's those could be dealt with.

Maybe Pep would since his defense is crap either way .

https://streamable.com/mbzg8

This was the interview with Klopp about 6 months ago.

I agree with you that everybody has to defend as a team, but there is one or two exceptions and I feel that Messi is one of them.

The problem we have I think is that whatever system that we played in the last 3-4 years, it's not working because we have both Suarez and Messi not doing any defensive work.

 

[FCBfan22]

https://streamable.com/mbzg8

This was the interview with Klopp about 6 months ago.

I agree with you that everybody has to defend as a team, but there is one or two exceptions and I feel that Messi is one of them.

The problem we have I think is that whatever system that we played in the last 3-4 years, it's not working because we have both Suarez and Messi not doing any defensive work.

This. The problem is that we have been defending with 8 players since Lucho left. And you can't put so much pressure on 8 players, especially if they are towards the end of the career.

 

[JamDav1982]

https://streamable.com/mbzg8

This was the interview with Klopp about 6 months ago.

I agree with you that everybody has to defend as a team, but there is one or two exceptions and I feel that Messi is one of them.

The problem we have I think is that whatever system that we played in the last 3-4 years, it's not working because we have both Suarez and Messi not doing any defensive work.

That doesnt mean Klopp would accept Ronaldo/Messi in their team not defending.

All that says is he keeps the players egos in check and by saying everyone has to defend. You are not Messi/Ronaldo so listen to me.

Bascially how could he tell Messi/Ronaldo how to play when achieved what they have?

The difference is he wouldnt even get into that situation of having Messi/Ronaldo in his team not defending. Not that he would accept it.

 

[Devils]

Hasn't said anything yet...always takes him days to address the fans.

 

[Alik]

This. The problem is that we have been defending with 8 players since Lucho left. And you can't put so much pressure on 8 players, especially if they are towards the end of the career.

Furthermore, those 8 players were not particularly great defenders in a great system.