Respekt_III
Anti-everything
Yeah those are much more appropriate examples.
Lionel Messi - v7
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Yeah those are much more appropriate examples.
Batistuta9
New member
Puyol is a natural born leader, no arguments there. Players that played with Gerrard say he wasn't vocal and used to lead by example, carragher was much more vocal than him.
As for totti, I don't know how good he was as a leader as I didn't follow Roma too much later on, but I used to get the vibe that De Rossi was more of a leader than totti. Messi isn't a vocal captain, no arguments there, but to say he isn't a leader is wrong. The guy has been carrying the burden as the go to guy for club and country for years. A lesser player would have crumbled to pieces. There are different traits of leadership.
AURELIUS
Member
Well said Batigol. Next we will discover Messi is a coward. According to Professor. Forumite.
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
Definitely saw that leadership you speak about 2nd leg against liverpool and vs bayern... You are equating being insanely good enough to carry a team with what leadership is. If he kept playing without sulking or walking around id totally agree that he was a leader who leads by example, unfortunately recent messi isnt that type of player anymore and that's fine; He already has enough pressure having had to carry the team for so long.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
As I said yesterday City will not be offering huge money for Messi and will try to break contract using Webster ruling.
Barca will be against that as will most likely be below 100m and won?t get cash now.
Can see it being a deal where Barca get 50-60m and some fringe players like Garcia/Angelino who have no real FFP cost to inlude.
These 100m plus Silva, Jesus etc come across as pure fantasy.
Barca will be against that as will most likely be below 100m and won?t get cash now.
Can see it being a deal where Barca get 50-60m and some fringe players like Garcia/Angelino who have no real FFP cost to inlude.
These 100m plus Silva, Jesus etc come across as pure fantasy.
Batistuta9
New member
It's easy to pick games here and there. Where was Ramos's leadership when we battered them 5-0 and 6-2. Gerrard and totti have taken heavy beatings. The best leader in the world wouldn't have stopped us losing. The team is done.
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
They may have got thoroughly beaten but they didn't give up... didnt walk around sulking....
Suarez tried more in both games (although he was quite useless but he still tried)
ParmaPassion
New member
You guys fvcking suck! I've been a Parmafan since 96 and have witnessed some great players in my team. We've had world champions and great legendary players. I've also seen other great and legendary players in other much bigger clubs in italy and have not witnessed the trashy way fans can treat their legends. You and Real are the only club to treat a legend like yesterdays news and already talking shit about a player that actually made this club the way it is now. If you think for a second that your club was this famous before then you're deluded as fvck! Sure, no player is bigger than the club but spare me the bullshit. A player like Messi transcends the legendary status. He is beyond that. Again, I've seen legends and Messi is a different category. People here talk about how fans were always supporting him and he is now betraying him. May I remind you of the time people waited for him outside of camp nou to cuss him out for running less then the gk Pinto? Oh please, you guys are some fairweather fans. You know nothing about backing up a club or a player that made the club the way Messi has made this barcelona. He owes you nothing at all and people should understand that its one thing to turn your back on someone like Suarez and another thing to talk about a player like Messi.
Plus, have the decency to at least wait until the drama is over.....
Plus, have the decency to at least wait until the drama is over.....
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
IIRC he needs to tell the club 15 days before end of season? no?
And in general, there is a gentleman unwritten agreement that no club would do it and sign player for such way, as it opens a Pandora box for them.
City could go out of the way and do it, but it would be a precedent for such high profile player
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Let?s see but I think City will turn to that rather than pay a big fee but threat of it will see Barca agree deal much lower than is being quoted.
Hide behind the clause debate and say asking FIFA to set fee in these unusual circumstances.
Andrew M
New member
Totti? The same guy who used to spit at people? Great leadership qualities.
Batistuta9
New member
He tried against Liverpool and created a few chances. Against Bayern, there was no point. The gulf between the two teams was too big.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No point?!!
Just give up and contribute to a historic hammering.
That is about as low as it gets as a leader.
Let?s just accept players giving up if can?t see game bring within reach.
The excuses for Messi are unreal at times.
Batistuta9
New member
He tried until it was 5-2. After Alphonso Davies humiliated semedo, the game was done and the whole team gave up.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Giving up is as low as it gets and contributing to a historical hammering is the result.
Absolutely embarrassing that ?giving up? is used as an excuse for Messi or any player.
Game lost but pride is at stake.
Any player that thinks like that should be gone.
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