Lionel Messi - v7
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malvolio
Senior Member
because that's the narrative of idiots on the forum. only CL QF, SF and Final matter to them.
not to mention ronaldo dind't show up in the first part of the season while messi was being busy winning us la liga. what matters is that ronaldo concentrated and even rested for certain matches in the CL KOs.
JohnN
Senior Member
Man City fans will care less about the performances from a 33yo Messi and more about the legacy he brings to their club.
A living football legend and one of - perhaps the - best players to ever play the game improves their status immensely. Not many teams can claim that the best of the best have played for them - Barca is one of the very few with so many great players.
Only spoilt Barca fans who got accustomed to having a cheat code for so many years are oblivious to that.
Barca's (a.k.a. the board's) relationship with Messi is now done for. There is no other way than to let him go, either on relatively good terms with a logical fee or as a free agent.
He can't be forced to stay at a club that shifts all the blame to the players, uses smear campaigns against them and provides no actual help sporting wise.
This seems to be his decision for some time now and they imbeciles on the board even knew it beforehand.
As things stand, it would be better for everyone if Messi left, even though a much better sent off should have been given:
- Barto's puppets will hold no claim to the presidency.
- Other players will finally have a "chance" to step up and not hide behind Messi to do everything.
- The Barca cycle will be finally officially over and a proper rebuild with a new board could be possible, in the distant future.
As for all the theories about the "Power plays" and "Wants to play with his amigos", apart from being unsubstantiated and are proven wrong daily, they do reveal a greater pattern:
The users that are onboard the Messi hate train, will cling on every piece of BS journalism and jump to the next theory that paints a bad picture for the player. Almost all have been proven wrong but this is no problem, they' ll just find the another one to support their predefined opinion. There is no point in arguing.
A living football legend and one of - perhaps the - best players to ever play the game improves their status immensely. Not many teams can claim that the best of the best have played for them - Barca is one of the very few with so many great players.
Only spoilt Barca fans who got accustomed to having a cheat code for so many years are oblivious to that.
Barca's (a.k.a. the board's) relationship with Messi is now done for. There is no other way than to let him go, either on relatively good terms with a logical fee or as a free agent.
He can't be forced to stay at a club that shifts all the blame to the players, uses smear campaigns against them and provides no actual help sporting wise.
This seems to be his decision for some time now and they imbeciles on the board even knew it beforehand.
As things stand, it would be better for everyone if Messi left, even though a much better sent off should have been given:
- Barto's puppets will hold no claim to the presidency.
- Other players will finally have a "chance" to step up and not hide behind Messi to do everything.
- The Barca cycle will be finally officially over and a proper rebuild with a new board could be possible, in the distant future.
As for all the theories about the "Power plays" and "Wants to play with his amigos", apart from being unsubstantiated and are proven wrong daily, they do reveal a greater pattern:
The users that are onboard the Messi hate train, will cling on every piece of BS journalism and jump to the next theory that paints a bad picture for the player. Almost all have been proven wrong but this is no problem, they' ll just find the another one to support their predefined opinion. There is no point in arguing.
MagIX
Senior Member
In term of goals for sure. CR is in front "only" for score goals, not Messi.
Build up, key passes, assists, create chances... this is the addional Job that Messi has, but not CR.
For exemple, no one come closed to Messi (where ist CR ?)
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...g-big-chances-created-ahead-muller-de-bruyne/
Judge a player only with scoring goals...... Inzaghi is better than Zidane or Iniesta or Xavi or Ronaldinho....
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Lol.
Poor Messi.
He won in 2009 and 2011 only when he had the best coach, the best midfield trio and Dani Alves.
And even then, we won only 2 in 4 years, with an enormous luck and refs help in 2009.
So, Messi won 2 when he was surrounded by goat teammates.
Now, people say that our team from 2008-2012 is better than Real's when they won 4 Cls.
Lol, that basically means that Cr7 managed to win 4 Cls with an inferior team than Messi.
Also, it seems that Messi won CLs only when we had the best team in the world.
He was never able to carry average team to the top of a CL or NT glory.
So, again:
When Messi and Cr7 had average teams=none won a CL
When they had awesome teams=5:3 for Cr7
He again has the edge
Also, should I dare to ask about NT titles?
In the end, it seems that Messi was a master for La liga and against lighter, technical teams (La liga teams, Arsenal and City).
While Cr7 had better skills for CL, German, Italian and English teams.
Givenchy
Senior Member
Who cares about MoTM awards? I care more about Barca winning in the CL
Messi is the better player individually but Ronaldo has had the better career for sure
Ronaldo PR machine is so strong it?s even in the Barca forum ffs. He won a national team trophy because they didn?t have to play Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium. Then Ronaldo goes off injured, griezmann missed chances and Eder the nobody scored a wonder goal. Meanwhile Higuain misses one of the best chances in a wc final. But reeee Messi bad Ronaldo good.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Check how many passing attempts Zidane, Figo and Ronnie had and how many Messi had.
Other players have to share actions with the whole team.
Messi owns Barca and he makes 70-80% of risky passes (probably).
Also, our players can't make an assist for him when he is asking for a ball at a pivot-cm position.
Of course that are numbers are skewed.
Sorry guys, I am tired of alibies for everything.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Ronaldo has always been up near the top for Real on assists and would need to look but sure he has more assists in CL in recent years than Messi.
Raketa10
Senior Member
BBZ you are actually doing here what you usually fight against! Football is a team sport and you can't win shit without your teammates. Just look at Ronaldo at Juve. He stands no chance even against Lyon. So blaming Messi for not wining CL with current Barca is just wrong.
Messi is individually superior to Ronaldo without a doubt. The real problem were his teammates and coaches that were way bellow top level. Ronaldo, for example, won the most titles with Real in their prime. When their teams were on the similar level Messi won majority of their direct battles. It's not his fault that Ramos, Varane, Marcelo or Modric were able to do what Lenglet, Mathieu, Roberto or Rakitic couldn't. Same goes for Higuain or Aguero during Copa or WC. Ronaldo didn't even play that final against France but his teammates managed to win it for him. Tell me please when did Messi's teammates win anything without him? Argentina almost failed to qualify for WC in Russia when he was not playing. Last season he destroyed Lpool on his own in Barcelona and even that was not enough for reaching the final. His teammates just didn't show up in Lpool. For example Alba decided to cry during the halftime and Dembele couldn't score one on one during the last minutes of the first game.
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blaugrana1987
New member
I agree, same as how RM has been much better run club financially and sporting wise in last 5 years. In fact, Barca is almost being ran to the ground while RM is thriving, but some folks will give every excuse under the sun that this is not boards fault but the gap between RM and Barca is big. Very big.
blaugrana1987
New member
Might be the case, but Messi knockout phase in 2015 was better then anything I've seen from any other player till date, yet he didn't exactly score as many as you would have thought.
Imagine saying Messi only has ucl in 09 and 11 with a lot because of luck and then not applying that logic to Ronaldo who?s champions league run in 2013/2014 was a joke. Roma, Wolfsburg, 4th placed Man City. Then his offside goals against Bayern. Both players have had their fair bit of luck and decisions going their way
George_Costanza
Active member
If you think about it, it's not a fair comparison. Ronaldo played like shit in domestic matches since 2013, almost like Real playing with 10 men for the first half of the season, so he can save his energy for UCL KO stages. Ronaldo figured the formula for winning the Ballon d'Or by showing up in UCL KO matches because everyone watches them.
While Messi besides having multiple roles (striker, winger, AM, playmaker), he always performs in the first 6 months of the season single-handedly winning matches for Barcelona hence he is winning MOTM more than anyone in the last 10 years, By the time we are in the KO stages, he is drained mentally and physically.
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