Lionel Messi - v7

[blaugrana1987]

CL
Cr7: 5
Messi: 3

CL KO matches
Cr7>Messi

CL KO away matches
Everyone>Messi

NT:
Cr7: 1
Messi: 0

NT KO matches
Iirc:
CR7: 3 goals
Messi: 0 in whole career

La Liga:
Messi Goat
Free kicks:
Messi Goat

Fc Messi fans can count Spanish supercopa, Cdr and similar trophies.

The harsh truth is that the biggest trophies in the world are:
World cup
CL/Euros/Copa America

On the biggest stage it's 6:3 for CR7 with enormously better individual/clutch performances in the biggest matches.

My theory is: Messi's weak mental strength, espcially after 2012.
He can win only when the conditions are perfect.
One unlucky goal, one mistake, one ref's bad decision and the tie is over.
He is done at 0:1.

Once again, when Rakitic played for Croatia at a World cup 2018, he told to his NT coach Dalic: "All we need is to score for 1:0. When Messi concedes in KO matches, he puts his head down, starts to stare in empty space and touches his chin repeatedly.
If he starts to do that, more or less, the tie is over."

The same happened at all NT matches against Germany, CL away matches against Atletico 0:1, 0:2, Psg 0:4, Juve 0:3, Roma 0:3, Liverpool 0:4, Bayern 2:8.

But let's pretend that always his poor teammates are guilty.

I think there is kind of a middle ground here. For example, 2015 was spectacular from Messi, as was 2019, but you would come back to these years again and look at stats and say "eh, not that good". Messi vs Liverpool first leg was amazing, should have been 5-1 and straight final, yet everyone chocked in next game (least of them Messi).

 

[JamDav1982]

I agree, same as how RM has been much better run club financially and sporting wise in last 5 years. In fact, Barca is almost being ran to the ground while RM is thriving, but some folks will give every excuse under the sun that this is not boards fault but the gap between RM and Barca is big. Very big.

Don?t agree Real are thriving as you claim.

Two round of 16 exits in CL don?t point to that.

How big are you claiming gap in La liga/CL will be next season assuming Messi goes?

 

[BBZ8800]

Ronaldo PR machine is so strong it?s even in the Barca forum ffs. He won a national team trophy because they didn?t have to play Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium. Then Ronaldo goes off injured, griezmann missed chances and Eder the nobody scored a wonder goal. Meanwhile Higuain misses one of the best chances in a wc final. But reeee Messi bad Ronaldo good.

Do you know that Pep's Barca didn't play against physical teams?
And when they did, they lost almost all ties:
2009 Chelsea
2010 Inter
2012 Chelsea

Also, there was no Italians back then due to calciopoli scandal (Juve) and bankruptcy of their sponsors (the fall of Milan).

Bayern was the weakest ever during early Pep, isn't it?
Bayern and Germans who won 4:0 against Messi's Argentina in 2010, 1:0 in 2014, 7:0 with Bayern in 2013, 8:2 in 2020.

It works both ways.
Peps-Messis Barca shined when there was no Italians and Bayern in KO matches.
When they returned after 2011, Messi won 1 in 9 years.

You see, it works both ways.

There are ifs on both sides.

You can't put ifs only on the side of RM's, Cr7's and Portugal's titles.
And say that everything with Messi was a pure magic.
I mean you can, but that is not objective then.

 

[MagIX]

Check how many passing attempts Zidane, Figo and Ronnie had and how many Messi had.

Other players have to share actions with the whole team.
Messi owns Barca and he makes 70-80% of risky passes (probably).

Also, our players can't make an assist for him when he is asking for a ball at a pivot-cm position.
Of course that are numbers are skewed.

Sorry guys, I am tired of alibies for everything.

Ok, in this case it seems that Messi was not so good as he looked. He did not deserve to be consider maybe the goat, he is only smoke and mirror, his capabilities have been overestimated.

 

[ItachiXXX]

Lol.
Poor Messi.

He won in 2009 and 2011 only when he had the best coach, the best midfield trio and Dani Alves.

And even then, we won only 2 in 4 years, with an enormous luck and refs help in 2009.

So, Messi won 2 when he was surrounded by goat teammates.

Now, people say that our team from 2008-2012 is better than Real's when they won 4 Cls.

Lol, that basically means that Cr7 managed to win 4 Cls with an inferior team than Messi.

Also, it seems that Messi won CLs only when we had the best team in the world.
He was never able to carry average team to the top of a CL or NT glory.

So, again:
When Messi and Cr7 had average teams=none won a CL
When they had awesome teams=5:3 for Cr7
He again has the edge

Also, should I dare to ask about NT titles?

In the end, it seems that Messi was a master for La liga and against lighter, technical teams (La liga teams, Arsenal and City).

While Cr7 had better skills for CL, German, Italian and English teams.

You want to play this game, where ReF helps the team to win ? So your not going to post about RM ? 😆
So now it's all about UCL not entire career ? Seriously forum de amigos trying so hard to downplay Messi entire career now just to push their agenda. What's next R9 career was better because he won it all ?

 

[blaugrana1987]

Don?t agree Real are thriving as you claim.

Two round of 16 exits in CL don?t point to that.

How big are you claiming gap in La liga/CL will be next season assuming Messi goes?

Thriving in sporting and financial sense, they are in extremely good position. Made money of the transfers, have better and younger team with now legendary coach + are loaded with cash. They won La Liga and are favorites for next one as are for Copa.

CL, probably much better chances then us with or without Messi, but either way neither will be favorites. Biggest advantage they have is they are well ran, have loads of money (with similar revenue) and much better board.
On another note :

[Jose Luis Sanchez] Lionel Messi has told a former teammate that he wants to leave Barcelona because he wants to win the Champions League.

 

[ItachiXXX]

Who cares about MoTM awards? I care more about Barca winning in the CL

Messi is the better player individually but Ronaldo has had the better career for sure

MOTM usually determine the contribution of the player for his team. But I guess it's all Messi's burden if they lose not the entire TEAM. Yup, that's why he's moving out. Now find someone else to blame 😆

 

[raskolnikov]

If Messi's lawyers argue he is no longer a barca player, whats keeling him from signing for City already then?

 

[BBZ8800]

Ok, in this case it seems that Messi was not so good as he looked. He did not deserve to be consider maybe the goat, he is only smoke and mirror, his capabilities have been overestimated.

Why going into extremes?

I am only saying that fans of each club are always overhyping and overrating their players and titles.

Here both Xavi and Iniesta are better than Zidane.
Peps era with 2 Cls is better than 4 out of 5 by Real.
Messis 3 Cls are better than 5+1 from Cr7.

That's the point.

 

[MagIX]

Ronaldo has always been up near the top for Real on assists and would need to look but sure he has more assists in CL in recent years than Messi.

CR is not a number 10, fantasist, creator, build up, key passes,...typical numer 10.
Messi is a number 9 (score goals) and a number 10 (fantasist).
CR only a number 9.

 

[JamDav1982]

Thriving in sporting and financial sense, they are in extremely good position. Made money of the transfers, have better and younger team with now legendary coach + are loaded with cash. They won La Liga and are favorites for next one as are for Copa.

CL, probably much better chances then us with or without Messi, but either way neither will be favorites. Biggest advantage they have is they are well ran, have loads of money (with similar revenue) and much better board.
On another note :

[Jose Luis Sanchez] Lionel Messi has told a former teammate that he wants to leave Barcelona because he wants to win the Champions League.

Thriving with two last 16 CL exits and not near favourites for next year... you are overplaying them.

What do you see as gap in la liga next season?

 

[Raketa10]

Anti Messi propaganda here is on it's peak. Even BBZ forgot that this is a team sport. Messi is acting like a prick right now but some of you are actually to salty.

 

[Neymessi]

He is an idiot. He's 33 and close to retirement could have retired with a really good legacy, now the legacy will go to shit for sure.

 

[JamDav1982]

CR is not a number 10, fantasist, creator, build up, key passes,...typical numer 10.
Messi is a number 9 (score goals) and a number 10 (fantasist).
CR only a number 9.

Both are focal points of attack.

Ronaldo has more assists as well even if team is not built to get him
On ball and create as much as Barca is for Messi.

Messi couldn?t lead an attack on break and with balls into box the way Ronaldo has.

Excuses are to make out Messi does all Ronaldo does and more. He doesn?t.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Thriving in sporting and financial sense, they are in extremely good position. Made money of the transfers, have better and younger team with now legendary coach + are loaded with cash. They won La Liga and are favorites for next one as are for Copa.

CL, probably much better chances then us with or without Messi, but either way neither will be favorites. Biggest advantage they have is they are well ran, have loads of money (with similar revenue) and much better board.
On another note :

[Jose Luis Sanchez] Lionel Messi has told a former teammate that he wants to leave Barcelona because he wants to win the Champions League.

And Real is seen as a more admirable destination. Maybe always was. But especially now because we are a mess.