Malcom

messi2140

6racies Xavi
according to BBZ, willian is suddenly a proven world class player for having 2 good games versus a dire barcelona with paulinho as MF option.

guy will twist anything to suit his agenda.

:lol:

Just a friendly reminder that is the guy that uses Fifa stats to prove a point and I also love how he justified Gomes playing last season becuase his fifa stats looked good. :lol:


Anyway, some skills:
http://www.futhead.com/17/clubs/fc-barcelona/

And now, for example, defensive skills of our starters:
Suarez 60
Messi 45
Neymar 48

Iniesta 59-70
Rakitic 59
Busquets 83
Gomes 71-75
Roberto (as a midfielder) 67-75

And then, for example: Dembele:
http://www.futhead.com/17/clubs/borussia-dortmund/

His defending as a RM is 50-54-60

Or if you want to see defensive skills more in depth:
Gomes:
http://www.futhead.com/17/players/60086/andre-gomes/
Paulinho:
http://www.futhead.com/18/players/49803/paulinho/
Dembele:
http://www.futhead.com/17/players/61031/ousmane-dembele/

Interceptions:
Gomes 80
Paulinho 80
Dembele 48

Heading:
Pualinho 82
Gomes 72
Dembele 62

Marking:
Paulinho 79
Gomes 68
Dembele 65

Standing tackle:
Gomes 81
Paulinho 80
Dembele 57

Sliding tackle:
Paulinho 74
Gomes 67
Dembele 65

In all 5 defensive skills, Dembele is the weakest all the time.

Or, when I claim that Denis is horrible in defending, it seems that I am not alone and that creators of these games think the same:
http://www.futhead.com/17/players/27588/denis-suarez/

Interceptions 48
Heading 44
Marking 37
Standing tackle 46
Sliding tackle 42

Or, what EV also like, physical skills:
Strength:
Gomes 88
Paulinho 70
Dembele 66
Denis 55

Aggression:
Gomes 84
Paulinho 70
Dembele 70
Denis 47

So, again, my post will sound very weird since everyone hate Gomes and Paulinho, but they offer (according to creators of multiple popular videogames) way more than Dembele/Denis in terms of defending, tackling, marking, interceptions, physical strength and aggression.
And once again, since EV's tactics is to NOT CONCEDE, get a midfield balance and pass the ball to Messi and Suarez who will usually score 1-2 goals on each match (and we won't concede any) and that's it.

EV thinks that we have enough of an attacking power and that midfield and defensive balance brought by workhorses is more important than dribbles which Dembele is bringing.
But as said above, in matches of level 1 (La Liga Camp Nou matches), attack is more important than balance, so we will usually see both Coutinho-Dembele and Messi-Suarez on a field.
But from what we have seen till now from EV, in away La liga matches and in ALL tougher, physical matches, his preferred lineup will be: Iniesta-Busquets-Rakitic-Gomes/Paulinho, or now against Chelsea: Gomes-Busquets-Rakitic-Paulinho/Vidal.

** If I have wrote something wrong from this FIFA page, my bad.
I haven't played these games in the last 10 years, so maybe I posted something wrong.

But anyway, maybe we'll see less posts: Dembele/Denis are the same in defense as Paulinho/Gomes.
Gomes sucks in attack, but he CAN from time to time regain possession, intercept some passes and he brings some physical presence.
While, a current Dembele is ALL ABOUT attack, attack, attack.
Which was good in Dortmund when he was their Messi (free role). But in Barca, where Messi doesn't defend, where Suarez also isn't defending, and where Coutinho/Iniesta are weak in defense (Iniesta due to age, Coutinho due to his weak defensive skills and weaker physique), playing with these 3 plus Dembele is a huge risk against bigger opponents since then we would have 4 players who don't defend or who are weak in defending.
Gomes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFx_EK8FeWs

I tried to look at Youtube, but couldn't find clips of Dembele defending.
I know, he is an attacker, but in EV's team he will need to learn to defend as long as Messi and Luis are in a team and as long as they aren't defending.

For the way how EV has set up his team, Paulinho and Gomes aren't as bad as people here are saying.
Results are proving that also.
(And no, it can't be ONLY because of Messi. We had MSN last season and we sucked horribly in the last 18 Months. EV and his style brought balance and way more points.)



Gomes-Busi-Raki-Paulinho
Or:
Gomes-Busi-Raki-Vidal
Or:
Paulinho-Busi-Raki-Vidal

That's it.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Willian is not World class, not be a long shot.

He's basically a poor mans Pedro that is far more frustrating than not.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Why is anyone replaying to such non-sense is beyond me. You won't gain anything of worth by reading his posts. In fact you might lose brain cells.

A personal insult, and yet you added nothing to a discussion.
Can you write 5 virtues which Malcom has and why do you think that he could make it here?

And there you again. Did marriage make you this grumpy or you have always been a piece of shit? You are probably the type of guy that one day gets the phone bill and sees this one phone number receiving a shitton of messages and calls and probably thinks there is nothing suspicious about it at all. Fucking moron.

Edit: love how you conveniently ignored the video I posted showing Malcom clearly is a inside winger aswell.

Not aimed at me, but the same thing.
Personal insults and adding nothing meaningfull to a discussion.

The same question:
Can you name 5 Malcom's virtues and why do you have high hopes about him?

Thats why we need a Rijkaard/Pep type manager rather than a Lucho/Valverde.
It puts off the likes of De Ligt and De Jong from joining us. A guy like Malcom, Dembele and Aleña should appaer often so they can develop.

A beautiful revisionism of the past:
Rijkaard whom I love and have on my avatar:
1. had 22 years old Saviola in a team when he came, the same age as Dembele and Malcom, who was the biggest youth talent back then.
He used him for one season and then decided that he is not worth developing anymore.
Rijkaard bought Etoo (23 years old, but probably around 25-26 was his real age), Larsson (age 33), Guily (age 28) in a summer of 2004'.
So, please, what kind of man-management and developing is youth is that?
He sold the most promising young attacker and bought two grannies plus Etoo.

Let's continue:
2. he bought Quaresma in a summer of 2003'.
Quaresma was Dembele of that era, more promising than CR7 back then.
Quaresma was aged only 20.
And Rijkaard decided after only one season that this 20 years old (lol, he was too young) player will probably never be good enough for Barca.
And he sold Quaresma after only 1 season (lol), and made a straight swap deal with Porto for 27 years old midfielder Deco who has just won a CL as a key player.

So, after 1 year at Barca, youth-players-lover Rijkaard got rid of 23 years old Saviola and 21 years old Quaresma and bought: Larsson (33), Guily (28), Deco (27), Etoo (23) on their places.

Let's move on.
3. back then, the brightest midfielder (apart from Xavi) was Thiago Motta who started to play as a starter from 2001-02 season, aged 19.
He played 59 matches in 2 seasons before Rijkaard.
Then a good guy Rijkaard came, and instead of putting ALL faith in Motta, he bought Rafael Marquez right away in 2003' who can play both as a CB and a pivot.
So, Rijkaard bought a pivot Marquez in 2003'.
Then he bought another pivot in 2004': Brasilian Edmilson aged 28 from Lyon.
But even that was not enough for Rijkaard.
He "loved" Motta so much that he bought even a 3rd pivot in 2005: 28 years old Dutch Mark Van Bommel, lol.
Eventually, after 4 years in charge, Rijkaard showed his love for Motta with selling him.

4. Rijkaard discovered CB-RB Oleguer in his first season here.
And he used him in the first 3 seasons here, but then he bought: Cb-Rb Thuram aged 34 (lol) and Rb Zambrotta aged 29. Also, he bought a 28 years old RB Belletti in 2004.
So, even though Oleguer was a starter in 2006's CL winning season, Rijkaard said thanks with buying Thuram and Zambrotta in the next summer and Oleguer never played as much as till then.

5. when Rijkaard came in 2003, we had a young 21 years old LB Fernando Navarro.
Rijkaard gave him only 5 appearances in 2 seasons and he left a club.
Later he played for Mallorca, Sevilla and Deportivo for 12 years.
Rijkaard showed huge faith in him, lol.

I won't even mention numerous Cbs and midfielders from that era. Or La Masia kid Gabri who played here for 5 years before Rijkaard.
No one earned a chance under Rijkaard.
Rijkaard bought Marquez, Deco, Van Bommel, Edmilson, Gudjohnsen in his first 3 summers here and he didn't need young La Masia midfielders.

So, my point is, even though Rijkaard was good in developing Iniesta (even though he bought Deco, Van Bommel and Gudjohnsen on his position, lol), Messi and Valdes, he didn't have faith in 10s of other Puigs from that era.
He only played Valdes all the time and Messi.
Even Iniesta had 100s of obstacles before eventually becoming close to being a starter.

So, Rijkaard developed players only when he thought that they are worth it.
He didn't give too many chances to some other youngsters: Saviola, Quaresma, Motta, Gabri, Oleguer, Navarro, Damia, Rodri and sold them or benched them quite fast.

Pep, ok, I am not saying that he is the same as EV.
But still, he developed only guys in whom he had faith.

Pep also showed "an awesome" man-management and patience with: Hleb, Chyngrynsky, Keirrison (0 minutes), Henrique (0 minutes), Caceres etc.

My point: Pep had lot of faith in some players like Busquets, Pedro, Pique.
On the other hand, he gave almost zero chances to some other players, or lost patience after 5-10 matches.
Chyngrynsky was paid 25M back then. That is like 60-70M today. And Pep gave him only 12 matches.
Chygry was young (23). With our forum's logic: why he didn't get more chances? I mean, he was young and had potential. He could have developed in the future.
But we had "a stupid coach" who didn't have faith in him.

My point is: people act as if Pep and Rijkaard were giving chances to all youngsters.
And as if all youngsters were getting at least 20 matches to prove their worth or at least 2 seasons in a club.

Those coaches also made a decision: this player is worth more chances. This player is not worth more than 5-10 matches.
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
You seem pretty certain he won't be here next season. Don't think so tbf. I don't see him leaving and I don't see the board pushing him out (unless a terribly poor season).

Just a gut feeling tbh. There is an exit clause both parties can use at the end of the season and I just have this feeling Valverde will decide to leave on a high and is a bit tired of all the stress and pressure with this job. Lucho and Pep had played here extensively so they were more accustomed to the demands and media pressure as players. Valverde didn't have that and this is his first taste of it and to me it seems like he's slowly growing tired of it.

There is now pressure coming from within the locker room from the most important person in the club about the CL too and Valverde might not like that too much either.

As I said, just a gut feeling. Club won't push him out, but I believe Valverde will want to leave on his own terms.
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Andre Gomes being utterly useless didn't stop Valverde from giving him chances even with other players in his position he could have used. Guy even tried to fit him in as a winger and fullback.

If Malcom really is that bad, which he so far hasn't proven himself to be, he ought to get more shots at proving himself. Especially over players that add precious little to the team regardless of the position they play.

That's the only point I'm going to make in addition to what I speculated previously.
 
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Trickykid

Active member
And there you again. Did marriage make you this grumpy or you have always been a piece of shit? You are probably the type of guy that one day gets the phone bill and sees this one phone number receiving a shitton of messages and calls and probably thinks there is nothing suspicious about it at all. Fucking moron.

Edit: love how you conveniently ignored the video I posted showing Malcom clearly is a inside winger aswell.

It's kind of creepy and a bit sad how you're involving my private life, but married life is quite good actually. You should try it some day.

Let's try this without the insults for a change.

Put yourself in EV's shoes: what do you gain from acting out your theory about Willian? Being overly childish and vindictive will obviously put you in bad standing with your club and most likely scare off any potential suitors when you're done with Barca - or vice versa. I doubt you'll win any points in the dressing room either, if the remaining squad sees you freezing out a player who'd help the team if he had the chance.

Sure, other managers have shunned their players on various grounds other than sheer quality or lack of, but I can't readily recall anyone who has done it over something as petty as what you're claiming.

Lastly, highlight vids proves absolutely nothing. Hell, watch some Nerman clips and you'll see a player who cuts inside all the time, and I think it's safe to assume that you don't find many similarities between Willian and him.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Just a friendly reminder that is the guy that uses Fifa stats to prove a point and I also love how he justified Gomes playing last season becuase his fifa stats looked good. :lol:

I am not sure are you on purpose being offtopic.
Try to google or learn on debates:
In the moment when a person starts personal insults, swearing, losing calmness, trying to go offtopic, making connections with other topics from the past (you were wrong in a XX topic, so that means that you are probably wrong again type of replies), in debating that usually means that you have nothing to say regarding this topic.

So, thanks, lol, you agree with me regarding Malcom then?

I'll give you another chance:
Write 5 virtues of Malcom which makes you think that he should play more and that EV is dumb in THIS case.

Willian is not World class, not be a long shot.

He's basically a poor mans Pedro that is far more frustrating than not.

The sad thing then is that Willian plays for Chelsea for years, while, my personal estimation, if EV's and staff's estimation about Malcom is true, he will never get close to bigger clubs after Barca.

Further, Willian has 60+ caps for that same Brasil.

Andre Gomes being utterly useless didn't stop Valverde from giving him chances even with other players in his position he could have used. Guy even tried to fit him in as a winger and fullback.

If Malcom really is that bad, which he so far hasn't proven himself to be, he ought to get more shots at proving himself. Especially over players that add precious little to the team regardless of the position they play.

That's the only point I'm going to make in addition to what I speculated previously.

I was a first guy on Dembele's hate train after 2 matches for Barca.
I think that I have wrote after 2 matches that his IQ is questionable, his movement is strange for Barca and that he could be a weird fit.

Anyway, let's have some fun and write one negative premature estimation about Malcom.
From his style of play, I have a feeling that he could be a guy like Alexis.
A player who NEEDS to be a central figure of his team in order to be at his best.
So, when Alexis plays for Chile, he has freedom and everything revolves around him and he is a quite good player there.
When he comes to Barca, we will never let him to be our key man (since he is not good enough to be our key man), and then he struggles and can't show his best skills.

Malcom, what we can see from Bordeaux and Barca for now, plays well when he is a key player.
For example, he loves one-twos and be some kind of a winger-playmaker.
He will play a pass, move fast around a player, get into a new position, receive a pass, play a first touch pass again and move again into an empty space and then shoot on goal.

There is nothing wrong with that type of an action, but that is something which Messi is doing.
Where everyone needs to look at him and play 2-3-4 1-2s with him until he will shoot.

Now, let's go back to Bordeaux, that worked perfectly.
If a team is poor and if he is the main attacking star, this style of play will work good.
And it did.

But, when you come to Barca, where you have other big boys, a team won't be built around you and around your numerous 1-2s.

For now, I have a feeling that these 1-2s are his main strength.
And Longshots, of course.
Other than that, his pace is quite poor for a winger and his dribbling is nothing special.

One more thing, we all agree that EV likes 4 true CMs, and even CMs at wing position, due to a style of play of Cms.
So, when a CM plays as a winger (Coutinho, Rafinha, Roberto), they will play a possession game, and they will play less classical-winger dribbles, runs and similar.
So, I guess that we can agree that Rafinha or Coutinho as a winger is closer to EV's possession style than Dembele or Malcom as a winger.
But one more thing, if you look at Malcom's videos from Bordeaux and Barca, he doesn't play possession based football.
He plays those 1-2s all the time.
Now, 1-2s are not bad. But they are quite problematic for Barca's style of play, IF you use them EVERY single time.

So, when you remove emotions and EV's hate, imo, this is what we have currently:
1. Malcom is a good guy, but nowhere near as talented as Dembele (who is also not good enough for us it seems, due to IQ and being more suitable for counterattacking teams)
2. Malcom is quite slow for a classical winger. Look at his videos from Bordeaux, he is often caught by defenders even though he made a dribble and had 1-2 meters of advantage
3. for Barca's current style, he is too much of a 1-2 player and doesn't hold the ball long enough.
I know, I know, someone will reply: BBZ, you whined that Arthur holds the ball for too long, and now you whine that Malcom holds it too short.
Well, still, I hope you'll get a point.

Now, even if go back to Willian, he is way more closer to a possession based-winger playmaker and it is quite logical why EV wanted him.
Dembele is a classical speedy counterattacking winger.
And Malcom is a slower winger suited for a direct football with a lot of 1-2 and through balls.

So, at the end of the day, when you remove EV hate, imo, it is quite logical why EV is not playing him:
1. EV don't need wingers
2. and even if he needs wingers, he wants possession-playmaking wingers, players who are something like midfielder-wingers like Roberto, Rafinha, Coutinho. Malcom is not a possession style player who plays a slower type of football.
3. even if EV wants one winger, he will use Dembele then, and not Malcom. There is no way that EV will use two classical wingers at the same time.
4. I have a feeling that he is more suitable to teams where he will be the main attacking playmaker and a key player (in a smaller team). Riquelme had the same problem. He was a world class when he was a brain of a team. And not good enough in a star team like Barca where he can't be a key man. His style of play "needs" teammates to follow his moves/passes and look for him all the time.

now, feel free to look at his videos one more time and take a look at 2 things:
1. he is quite slow
2. he plays 1-2s and looking for a shot/through ball after that all the time. That is quite contrary to our style, especially when Messi is on a field and when everything revolves around him.

Malcom in a CDR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdJvrUSXXB0

Malcom Bordeaux:
 
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messi2140

6racies Xavi
I am not sure are you on purpose being offtopic.
Try to google or learn on debates:
In the moment when a person starts personal insults, swearing, losing calmness, trying to go offtopic, making connections with other topics from the past (you were wrong in a XX topic, so that means that you are probably wrong again type of replies), in debating that usually means that you have nothing to say regarding this topic.

So, thanks, lol, you agree with me regarding Malcom then?

I'll give you another chance:
Write 5 virtues of Malcom which makes you think that he should play more and that EV is dumb in THIS case.

First of all go see how the discussion started and who started acting like a proper dickhead.

Had a decent statiscal season with 12 goals + 7 assists.
Wicked left shot
Very dynamic off the ball
Has the quality to beat his man
And he is a pretty fast player aswell.

Now you give me 5 reason why he is not even making the bench , while the likes of Denis and Gomes last year do.

This is an extra so you don't need answering it as it is a bit off-topic , but could you please give me 5 reason why the fuck Pique somehow keeps playing while he is absolutely shit ?
 
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I am not sure are you on purpose being offtopic.
Try to google or learn on debates:
In the moment when a person starts personal insults, swearing, losing calmness, trying to go offtopic, making connections with other topics from the past (you were wrong in a XX topic, so that means that you are probably wrong again type of replies), in debating that usually means that you have nothing to say regarding this topic.

So, thanks, lol, you agree with me regarding Malcom then?

I'll give you another chance:
Write 5 virtues of Malcom which makes you think that he should play more and that EV is dumb in THIS case.



The sad thing then is that Willian plays for Chelsea for years, while, my personal estimation, if EV's and staff's estimation about Malcom is true, he will never get close to bigger clubs after Barca.

Further, Willian has 60+ caps for that same Brasil.



I was a first guy on Dembele's hate train after 2 matches for Barca.
I think that I have wrote after 2 matches that his IQ is questionable, his movement is strange for Barca and that he could be a weird fit.

Anyway, let's have some fun and write one negative premature estimation about Malcom.
From his style of play, I have a feeling that he could be a guy like Alexis.
A player who NEEDS to be a central figure of his team in order to be at his best.
So, when Alexis plays for Chile, he has freedom and everything revolves around him and he is a quite good player there.
When he comes to Barca, we will never let him to be our key man (since he is not good enough to be our key man), and then he struggles and can't show his best skills.

Malcom, what we can see from Bordeaux and Barca for now, plays well when he is a key player.
For example, he loves one-twos and be some kind of a winger-playmaker.
He will play a pass, move fast around a player, get into a new position, receive a pass, play a first touch pass again and move again into an empty space and then shoot on goal.

There is nothing wrong with that type of an action, but that is something which Messi is doing.
Where everyone needs to look at him and play 2-3-4 1-2s with him until he will shoot.

Now, let's go back to Bordeaux, that worked perfectly.
If a team is poor and if he is the main attacking star, this style of play will work good.
And it did.

But, when you come to Barca, where you have other big boys, a team won't be built around you and around your numerous 1-2s.

For now, I have a feeling that these 1-2s are his main strength.
And Longshots, of course.
Other than that, his pace is quite poor for a winger and his dribbling is nothing special.

One more thing, we all agree that EV likes 4 true CMs, and even CMs at wing position, due to a style of play of Cms.
So, when a CM plays as a winger (Coutinho, Rafinha, Roberto), they will play a possession game, and they will play less classical-winger dribbles, runs and similar.
So, I guess that we can agree that Rafinha or Coutinho as a winger is closer to EV's possession style than Dembele or Malcom as a winger.
But one more thing, if you look at Malcom's videos from Bordeaux and Barca, he doesn't play possession based football.
He plays those 1-2s all the time.
Now, 1-2s are not bad. But they are quite problematic for Barca's style of play, IF you use them EVERY single time.

So, when you remove emotions and EV's hate, imo, this is what we have currently:
1. Malcom is a good guy, but nowhere near as talented as Dembele (who is also not good enough for us it seems, due to IQ and being more suitable for counterattacking teams)
2. Malcom is quite slow for a classical winger. Look at his videos from Bordeaux, he is often caught by defenders even though he made a dribble and had 1-2 meters of advantage
3. for Barca's current style, he is too much of a 1-2 player and doesn't hold the ball long enough.
I know, I know, someone will reply: BBZ, you whined that Arthur holds the ball for too long, and now you whine that Malcom holds it too short.
Well, still, I hope you'll get a point.

Now, even if go back to Willian, he is way more closer to a possession based-winger playmaker and it is quite logical why EV wanted him.
Dembele is a classical speedy counterattacking winger.
And Malcom is a slower winger suited for a direct football with a lot of 1-2 and through balls.

So, at the end of the day, when you remove EV hate, imo, it is quite logical why EV is not playing him:
1. EV don't need wingers
2. and even if he needs wingers, he wants possession-playmaking wingers, players who are something like midfielder-wingers like Roberto, Rafinha, Coutinho. Malcom is not a possession style player who plays a slower type of football.
3. even if EV wants one winger, he will use Dembele then, and not Malcom. There is no way that EV will use two classical wingers at the same time.
4. I have a feeling that he is more suitable to teams where he will be the main attacking playmaker and a key player (in a smaller team). Riquelme had the same problem. He was a world class when he was a brain of a team. And not good enough in a star team like Barca where he can't be a key man. His style of play "needs" teammates to follow his moves/passes and look for him all the time.

now, feel free to look at his videos one more time and take a look at 2 things:
1. he is quite slow
2. he plays 1-2s and looking for a shot/through ball after that all the time. That is quite contrary to our style, especially when Messi is on a field and when everything revolves around him.

Malcom in a CDR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdJvrUSXXB0

Malcom Bordeaux:

You are a very intelligent person, very good analysis.
 

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