Marquinhos

[Meitux]

Etienne Capoue from Toulouse is far superior to Marquinhos and can play on multiple positions to boot. He is 24 years old, so a good age. We were interested in him in the past, but I havent heard anything lately.

What the hell?He is a DM we had enough with playing a defensive midfielder in CB.Its clearly not working.Do you understand its different play someone in his natural position that he have learned and different to play someone on another position just because he is a defensive player and have played there only some games?

 

[Learo]

What the hell?He is a DM we had enough with playing a defensive midfielder in CB.Its clearly not working.Do you understand its different play someone in his natural position that he have learned and different to play someone on another position just because he is a defensive player and have played there only some games?

Even Pique used to be a DM. Same with Fontas. Same with Mascherano. Yaya used to be an attacking mid before we bought him and converted him to DM and CB. One could argue that such players have had a far better success ratio as CBs for us than natural CBs like Chygrynskiy, Caceres, Henrique and others. There are no natural Barca CBs that dont already play for Barca. All players we would buy for the CB position would have to go through a steep learning curve, as we play so differently than other teams.

 

[Meitux]

Even Pique used to be a DM. Same with Fontas. Yaya used to be an attacking mid before we bought him and converted him to DM and CB. There are no natural Barca CBs that dont already play for Barca. All players we would buy for the CB position would have to go through a steep learning curve, as we play so differently than other teams.

You are talking about Capoue who performs better in his main position and has played a few games in there.Pique is different example,he developed as CB played a little bit as DM in Zaragosa but in Barcelona not.As for Toure he played there because he was needed to when someone was injured or wasnt able to play because of cards like in the final 2009 when Marquez was injured and Abidal cause of the red card,maybe against Inter in camp nou he was chosen because he could bring the ball out quickly and better cause we needed to attack

 

[Learo]

You are talking about Capoue who performs better in his main position and has played a few games in.Pique is another example,he developed as CB played a little bit as DM in Zaragosa but in Barcelona not.As for Toure he played there because he was needed to when someone was injured or wasnt able to play because of cards like in the final 2009 when Marquez was injured and Abidal cause of the red card,maybe against Inter in camp nou he was chosen because he could bring the ball out quickly and better cause we needed to attack

Yes, we should continue to buy spectacular success stories like natural CBs Caceres, Henrique and Chygrynskiy who dont need to adapt to our style. The heart of our defensive structure in the last 5 years have all been converted players like Yaya (from AM to DM), Busi (from AM to DM), Pique (from DM to CB) and Masche (from DM to CB).

 

[Semi-Neutral]

The heart of our defense has been Puyol...

 

[Meitux]

Yes, we should continue to buy spectacular success stories like natural CBs Caceres, Henrique and Chygrynskiy who dont need to adapt to our style. The heart of our defensive structure in the last 5 years have all been converted players like Yaya (from AM to DM), Busi (from AM to DM), Pique (from DM to CB) and Masche (from DM to CB).

Well i think its better finding someone that CB is is main position rather than finding a DM and risking it for CB.Mascherano got tons of minutes in CB but still we all have complains of how he plays..Imagine Capoue that didnt even play for Barcelona how much it would take to adapt to the team and even more in CB that isnt his main position.As for Chygrynskiy i never thought he would work out neither Henrique or Caceres they were mistakes and was wrong from the club buying them,they werent tottaly proved players especially Chygrynskiy in Ukranian leauge and Henrique in brazil

 

[Learo]

The heart of our defense has been Puyol...

The former RB Puyol (converted to CB at 22 years of age) has been injured more times than all of our other players combined. But it is really besides the point.

Well i think its better finding someone that CB is is main position rather than finding a DM and risking it for CB.Mascherano got tons of minutes in CB but still we all have complains of how he plays..Imagine Capoue that didnt even play for Barcelona how much it would take to adapt to the team and even more in CB that isnt his main position.As for Chygrynskiy i never thought he would work out neither Henrique or Caceres they were mistakes and was wrong from the club buying them,they werent tottaly proved players especially Chygrynskiy in Ukranian leauge and Henrique in brazil

This doesnt make much sense at all. You are using our transfers as some sort of proof that conversion doesnt work, yet our success ratio of natural CBs have been miserable while converted players have performed far better. The reason is that playing as CB for Barca is far more akin to playing as DM for other teams, making it easier to adapt. The same is true for the DM position where we have mostly played two AMs (yaya and busi).

 

[Galning]

The former RB Puyol has been injured more times than all of our other players combined. But it is really besides the point.

What does this have to do with anything Semi-Neutral said?

 

[Meitux]

The former RB Puyol (converted to CB at 22 years of age) has been injured more times than all of our other players combined. But it is really besides the point.



This doesnt make much sense at all. You are using our transfers as some sort of proof that conversion doesnt work, yet our success ratio of natural CBs have been miserable while converted players have performed far better. The reason is that playing as CB for Barca is far more akin to playing as DM for other teams, making it easier to adapt. The same is true for the DM position where we have mostly played two AMs (yaya and busi).

So for you there isnt any CB out there that will be the solution and the solution is a DM to CB?You said it would better if we buy Ranocchia in Thiago Silva's thread and then you wanna make sense?

 

[jklz]

The heart of our defense has been Puyol...

+ Abi.

 

[XaviMessiGirl]

I'm willing to bet that most people here have watched at the very most 2 or 3 games of Marquinhos, if even that. I admit that that's all Ive seen of him and while I think he is promising I can't be certain at all if he would be a success or not. The amount of enthusiasm here for him here is ridiculous considering it is mostly based on youtube clips and media hype.

I watched quite a bit of Roma matches last season, but I agree. It's almost a little insulting to see someone who admitted in the past to not really have watched him suddenly act like they know everything about him. Unless of course they are spending their summer downloading & watching the matches he played in.

 

[Learo]

What does this have to do with anything Semi-Neutral said?

The fact of the matter is that converted defensive players has been crucial to our success for years. Thats the issue here. Some people are trying to rewrite history in order to make it fit their assertions.

 

[Galning]

The fact of the matter is that converted defensive players has been crucial to our success for years. Thats the issue here. Some people are trying to rewrite history in order to make it fit their assertions.

True but bad example imo.

 

[DonAndres]

That and the Oliver Torres hype on this forum is what gives me my daily laugh. So ridiculous.

If you haven't watched Oliver, then go ahead and believe it's all "hype". He's been impressive as hell for a while now, not just in the u20 WC.

Also, about Marcos, I don't get how anyone who is currently going about condemning the people who've rated him highly are any better, as I doubt they've watched much of him at all either. From this season's performances, almost everything that's been praised about him is well deserved and I know that. The only thing people could rationally point out as a flaw is that 35m is far too high of a price tag based on a single season's performances. Other than that, you guys are targeting the people who rate him without having even watched him to correctly refute it.

And the Doria comments, I don't think anyone has called him a "wall". He seems like a good prospect from an initial standpoint but for less than 7m, it's worth it to buy a highly rated prospect with potential to develop.

 

[spark]

People act as if you would watch Roma just to see Marquinhos. Seeing him is just something that happened along the way. I guess you cant be sure if Totti is a legend or not because Rome is now some obscure part of Russia and who could have possibly seen him playing on television. The fact is they aren't in Brazil or Argentina anymore therefore its easier to have an opinion about someone like Lamela or Marquinhos. These arguments would make much more sense if this thread was growing when he was at Corinthians.