Martin Odegaard

[Luftstalag14]

He's not comparing Neymar and Ødegaards talent. He's talking about the principles that we so steadfastly held when we signed Neymar, principles that have become quite famous in the media the last year.

I know, but my point was Neymar is a proven player that has been around for a while and everyone knew how good he is and he was chased by several clubs. We bought him because of his potential to be the future face and leader of Barca.

 

[Heisenberg is cooking]

Happy we didnt got him. Let the hypocrits go the capital.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Thats not what you said, you said "the next big thing, the talent of the 21 century". Sounds a bit like this Neymar boy, no?

Once again, Neymar is an established player, not the case with Odegaard.

We bought him with the thought of grooming him to be the future face of Barca, and we don't splash this kind of money that often.

As to what you guys have mind for Odegaard, I have no idea.

 

[BBZ8800]

We got Halilovic, they got Odegaard. You can't get them all.

Then it is more like:
We got no one, they got Odegaard. You can't get them all.

I'm sorry but the Croatian League is also better and tougher than the Norwegian League.

Either way, our 1998 generation is stacked with talented youngsters. Let Madrid have Odegaard. I just hope they don't ruin him.

Croatian league is something like a Scottish premier league.
Except that you don't have 2 teams (Rangers and Celtic) who are much stronger than all other teams.
You have only one team, Dinamo, who is miles stronger than everyone and who has Possession like 70% in every match and 15-20 shots in every match.
Dinamo also won 10 league titles in a row.

Other teams (except Hajduk and Rijeka, but they are much weaker than Dinamo) are so poor that anything except 4:0 win for Dinamo in every round is a huge surprise.

So, when someone plays good in Dinamo, it is the same how Sergi Roberto can look awesome in Barca versus Elche.
The only problem is that Halil never looked that awesome even in Dinamo.

Now, people will have a lot of alibi excuses:
1. Odegaard played in a weaker league
-- reality is that Croatian league is also very poor, plus, Halilovic was faaaaaaaaaaaaar from bossing in it
-- he played more or less the same as in Barca B
-- he had occasional dribbles and 3-4 awesome Goals, and other 90% of time, he was just average
-- and Croatian media (basically Dinamo's owner Mamic who is corrupted and owns the media and everything) built a hype about new Messi based on a few awesome solo actions and solo goals (and because Halil really sometimes "looks" like Messi when he runs with the ball. But more or less, that is the only similarity between him and Messi)
2. Odegaard plays in NT team
-- Halilovic plays a few minutes
-- again, people will say that Norwegain team is much weaker

But again, we have a few Croatian users here, and I am also from Croatia. Some of them think that Halil is awesome, some are more sceptical.
My experience, none of my real-life friends ever talk about Halilovic.

People talk about Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic, Kovacic.
When someone mentions Halil, other guys reply with: "Lol. (And they shake their heads)" (Something like: there is not a single chance that he will turn into a world-class player).

Anyway, everything is possible.
Odegaard could turn into a new Bojan, and Halil may turn into a Barca leader.
But it is not nice to trash Real's players now and to be so biased about other guys.

Let's be honest: Real currently has the brightest young prospect in the whole world.
And we have a few of questionable talents in Halil, Adama and Deulofeu.

We all love Barca, and hate Real, but we have to be realistic sometimes.

 

[Bertus]

I know, but my point was Neymar is a proven player that has been around for a while and everyone knew how good he is and he was chased by several clubs. We bought him because of his potential to be the future face and leader of Barca.

Luft, as I said in the previous page, there's nothing wrong about accepting a job which has the best salary.

There's no moral value behind it unless you are asked to do bad things to get such salary.

I don't understand what you guys dislike about it. If a company (RM) wants to offer him a fortune + the same kind of training ground and coaches he can get elsewhere, why should he refuse?

He won't destroy his career because of the amount of money he gets each week. And that doesn't make him a bad guy either.

 

[DonAK]

I'm from Norway and I'll say that you BBZ should cool down a bit on the Ødegaard > Halilovic talk.

I don't know how one can even compare them. Let them develop first and then we'll see.

 

[Morten]

Once again, Neymar is an established player, not the case with Odegaard.

We bought him with the thought of grooming him to be the future face of Barca, and we don't splash this kind of money that often.

As to what you guys have mind for Odegaard, I have no idea.

You said something about not throwing away your principles for landing a big star, big talent etc. Martin and Neymar are not comparable, but what you said didnt make any sense. So its ok to throw morals aside if its a proven star, but not otherwise? I dont get this.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Alright, let's all hail King Odegaard!

Seriously, no one is denying that he might be a huge talent and that we screwed up by not giving him the attention that perhaps he deserved. But hey, we can't land every single great talent this world produces even if we tried, not every single great talent wants to join us anyway.

So we missed out on him. Should we all find a corner and cry? The Earth still resolves without Odegaard at Barcelona. We are not going to be relegated because we missed out on Odegaard.

Let this kid prove what he brings and let's hope to see some amazing football, just not at our expense.

End of the story.

 

[frog-fcb]

Some people in this thread are communists or what?

1/ Money is not a bad thing. What could be bad is what you're doing with it, and what you are asked to do to get it.

2/ There's NOTHING wrong in choosing the best salary if two companies offer you the same job with the same kind of best environement you can find.

3/ Choosing the best salary doesn't mean AT ALL that you don't care about what job you're asking to do, nor it doesn't mean you won't SHARE the same PASSION at work if you earn 0 or 10k euros per week.

WTF guys, are you kids that live in that pink stalin world or what?

You judge this kid based on nothing. You dare saying he doesn't care about football but just about money. Based on nothing. You're just a bunch of butthurt kids.

I wouldn go just as far as calling myself a communist what i am trying to say is that even if a club was offering him.better playing prospects he wouldnt turn down that sort of money. So therefore in my opinion the money would have influenced him to take madrids offer more than the playing

 

[Kohe321]

I know, but my point was Neymar is a proven player that has been around for a while and everyone knew how good he is and he was chased by several clubs. We bought him because of his potential to be the future face and leader of Barca.

Well who is disputing that? The point was that when we signed Neymar, our board jumped through some pretty shady hoops to make it happen. Hoops that break with these supposed principles that bind Barca, as if making big money deals like this is somehow "beneath us".

The fact that Neymar was one of the biggest talents in the world didn't make what happened during his transfer okay does it?

Some people in this thread are communists or what?

1/ Money is not a bad thing. What could be bad is what you're doing with it, and what you are asked to do to get it.

2/ There's NOTHING wrong in choosing the best salary if two companies offer you the same job with the same kind of best environement you can find.

3/ Choosing the best salary doesn't mean AT ALL that you don't care about what job you're asking to do, nor it doesn't mean you won't SHARE the same PASSION at work if you earn 0 or 10k euros per week.

WTF guys, are you kids that live in that pink stalin world or what?

You judge this kid based on nothing. You dare saying he doesn't care about football but just about money. Based on nothing. You're just a bunch of butthurt kids.

Finally a breath of fresh rationality here, thank you.

 

[Bertus]

You said something about not throwing away your principles for landing a big star, big talent etc. Martin and Neymar are not comparable, but what you said didnt make any sense. So its ok to throw morals aside if its a proven star, but not otherwise? I dont get this.

What's wrong is linking money to moral value as if above a certain amount of money you become an evil person.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Luft, as I said in the previous page, there's nothing wrong about accepting a job which has the best salary.

There's no moral value behind it unless you are asked to do bad things to get such salary.

I don't understand what you guys dislike about it. If a company (RM) wants to offer him a fortune + the same kind of training ground and coaches he can get elsewhere, why should he refuse?

He won't destroy his career because of the amount of money he gets each week. And that doesn't make him a bad guy either.

I am not saying he is a bad guy because he values money or something. I am just saying we, along with Bayern and many other clubs would not be able to offer him that kind of money that Real Madrid offered him.

 

[Deco 20]

He gets 80000 pounds a week at the age of 16 :icon_neutral:

Source??
If this is true, then it makes perfect sense that he'd sign for Madrid.
1) He could retire from football after his contract is over and live comfortably, even without playing a single minute of football for the first team
2) If they pay him that much, that's a sign that they believe in him and they pretty much HAVE to give him chances

 

[Bertus]

I wouldn go just as far as calling myself a communist what i am trying to say is that even if a club was offering him.better playing prospects he wouldnt turn down that sort of money. So therefore in my opinion the money would have influenced him to take madrids offer more than the playing

You don't know what RM promised him, nor the different clauses in this contract if he doesn't get the promised playtime.

How can you say he refused better prospects if you don't know anything about what was offered to him. FFS.

Better prospect is not only about playtime right off the bat once he signs a pro contract.

 

[DonAK]

People are reacting as if we missed out on Messi. Always said he's a fantastic talent who could go far, especially since I've watched him play a lot and I still think this is a bad move for him, but some of the reactions are OTT.