Martin Odegaard

[Bertus]

Nope Bertus, I am not accusing RM of crossing any lines. I don't see other folks doing that either.

Then what it is?

What are we discussing about?

You said Barca and bayern wouldn't have offered that much. Ok, then what?

My point in replying to you was that since there's no rules, I don't see what can be criticized about it unless you throw moral values in the pot based on what you think about money.

 

[Hamzah]

Will we all.know he is getting 80k a week which for a.youth player at 16 is an absurd amount hed be foolish to turn it down.
Im not saying he HAS turned down better prospects what im.saying is the 80k per week wages is most likely the main reason he choose madrid

Lets say you had an offer of 10k per week and garunteed first team football or 80k per week to start off in a b team and were you may never make first team and the expectation s due to your wages alone will be outragous which would you take

i'd take option 2. making alot of money and developing with slightly less pressure in a youth team, knowing that i can be at an elite club first team in just a few years.

 

[DonAK]

Does this transfer have any implications that could be investigated by FIFA?

I'm not saying RM is doing something wrong, it's just that I don't know anymore what rules is FIFA enforcing when it comes to signing youngsters...

Nope. Players between the age of 16 and 18 in the EU region can move within the zone if certain conditions(acceptable standard of education and living conditions) are met. Martin is 16 and while Norway is the not in the EU, we're in the EEA(European Economic Area) so this implies to us as well.

And a club of Real Madrid's stature would surely not fail in providing those things. Besides his dad is also getting a job there.

 

[Hamzah]

Does this transfer have any implications that could be investigated by FIFA?

I'm not saying RM is doing something wrong, it's just that I don't know anymore what rules is FIFA enforcing when it comes to signing youngsters...

i think it's only non eu under 18s that you can't poach.

 

[BBZ8800]

This is going in circles and getting boring.

For the Nth time, I see Neymar and Odegaard very different case. One is a proven, established player, one is not. With Neymar I am OK with us throwing money at him (and he'd better earn it) as I see him a special case; with Odegaard, being an unestablished youth player, I don't know what his relatively huge paycheck will do to the dressing room and the back office. Perhaps Real Madrid is grooming him to be the face of Real Madrid for the next 10-15 years, OK then.

Neymar was proven (but not in Europe), but when we tried to sign him, people were saying that we shouldn't pay more than 30-40M for him.
He was good, but anything higher than 30-40M would be a big gamble.

In the end, we paid 100M for a player, and a majority of fans wouldn't pay more than 40 for him.

For example, Reus is a good player, and we know that he is worth a lot.
But then, we would probably pay 40-50-60 for him now.
He is good, but he isn't THAT good that we should pay 120M for Reus.

That was the case with Neymar.
He was good, but he wasn't "100 Millions-good"

So:
1. Odegaard is good, and Madrid overpaid and gambled on him
2. Neymar was good, but he was nowhere that good (100 Millions). We overpaid and gambled.

But in the end, as others said, Real hasn't done anything which we hadn't done already with some other players.

 

[Bertus]

Will we all.know he is getting 80k a week which for a.youth player at 16 is an absurd amount hed be foolish to turn it down.
Im not saying he HAS turned down better prospects what im.saying is the 80k per week wages is most likely the main reason he choose madrid

Lets say you had an offer of 10k per week and garunteed first team football or 80k per week to start off in a b team and were you may never make first team and the expectation s due to your wages alone will be outragous which would you take

I am talented in my work.

A few years ago, I had to pick among some job offers from companies that offered the same kind of places to work at, advantages, etc.

One offered me more than the other.

Why should have accepted the less paid job offer?

If this kid was offered the same kind of jobs and advantages by lots of clubs, there's nothing wrong in choosing the best salary.

 

[Hamzah]

Neymar was proven, but when we tried to sign him, people were saying that we shouldn't pay more than 30-40M for him.
He was good, but anything higher than 30-40M would be a big gamble.

In the end, we paid 100M for a player, and a majority of fans wouldn't pay more than 40 for him.

For example, Reus is a good player, and we know that he is worth a lot.
But then, we would probably pay 40-50-60 for him now.
He is good, but he isn't THAT good that we should pay 120M for Reus.

That was the case with Neymar.
He was good, but he wasn't "100 Millions-good"

So:
1. Odegaard is good, and Madrid overpaid and gambled on him
2. Neymar was good, but he was nowhere that good (100 Millions). We overpaid and gambled.

But in the end, as others said, Real hasn't done anything which we hadn't done already with some other players.

it's a good gamble because he will probably become the best player in the world at some point. he also is brazil's number one superstar and a highly marketable personality so you can spend more on him.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Then what it is?

What are we discussing about?

You said Barca and bayern wouldn't have offered that much. Ok, then what?

My point in replying to you was that since there's no rules, I don't see what can be criticized about it unless you throw moral values in the pot based on what you think about money.

What does this have anything to do with moral values?

Let me be clear, again, I am not accusing Real Madrid of offering him that kind of money. They did because they can, they are in the position to offer that kind of money, they have the revenue, marketing power to sustain their practice. Other clubs don't and can't, it is that simple.

 

[Hamzah]

I am talented in my work.

A few years ago, I had to pick among some job's offers from companies that offered the same kind of places to work at, advantages, etc.

One offered me more than the other.

Why should have accepted the less paid job offer?

If this kid was offered the same kind of jobs and advantages by lots of clubs, there's nothing wrong in choosing the best salary.

i agree with you but to be fair the situation isn't comparable to a youngster in football that could get side tracked. though if he really is a superstar then discipline isn't an issue and money won't distract him.

 

[Bertus]

What does this have anything to do with moral values?

Let me be clear, again, I am not accusing Real Madrid of offering him that kind of money. They did because they can, they are in the position to offer that kind of money, they have the revenue, marketing power to sustain their practice. Other clubs don't and can't, it is that simple.

Then what's the problem?

Honest question. You say I misunderstood you. No problem about it. I just want to understand what we are discussing and what problems you see in that deal.

 

[BBZ8800]

it's a good gamble because he will probably become the best player in the world at some point. he also is brazil's number one superstar and a highly marketable personality so you can spend more on him.

Again, I don't see anything that Real did, and we haven't.

Imagine if we weren't Barca's or Real's fans, this is how it looks from the outside:
1. Barca paid way too much for Neymar
-- he has marketable value
-- plus, he can turn into a Top3 footballers one day
-- so, 100M transfer (I don't remember if his huge wages are calculated in these 100M already, but his wages were higher than Mess's, weren't they?)

2. Real paid way too much for Odegaard, but only for his WAGES
-- they didn't spend too much on a transfer fee
-- so, the only "risk" are his wages
-- since the guy currently looks like the brightest young prospect in the world, plus he looks mentally strong, intelligent and humble, it seems like it's worth a risk, isn't it?

Again, Neymar could have turned out to be a clown, and we would lose at least 50 Millions from his 100M transfer.
If Odegaard turns out to be a flop, they can still resell him for at least 5-10 Millions one day to some English club.
So, basically, they will only lose on his wages.

So:
1. on one hand, he could turn out to be a new Messi or Cristiano
-- and you only have to pay his wages to find out the answer
2. if he flops, you will only lose the money for his wages

I don't know, if we weren't Barca/Real fans, this deal looks like a reasonable risk.

 

[Bertus]

i agree with you but to be fair the situation isn't comparable to a youngster in football that could get side tracked. though if he really is a superstar then discipline isn't an issue and money won't distract him.

As I said, you don't need to earn 1 million per day to get sidetracked if for some reasons you end up being sidetracked.

You also can be sidetracked by many things beside money. Look at how Lavezzi ended up spending his night in clubs drinking alcohol and such.

If this kid is smart, he won't get sidetracked easily. If he is mentally weak, he will get sidetracked whether because of money, alcohol, women, or anything.

My point was that getting sidetracked can be something that happens because of many reason, not just money. And from a psychology point of view, money in lots of case is only an excuse to hide mental weakness the person already had, money or not.

 

[DonAK]

FFS, lock this thread. Every post the last hour or so on this forum is about Ødegaard.

His career truly starts now. Lets see how he does. I'm not convinced by his choice, but wish him the best.

 

[Hamzah]

Again, I don't see anything that Real did, and we haven't.

Imagine if we weren't Barca's or Real's fans, this is how it looks from the outside:
1. Barca paid way too much for Neymar
-- he has marketable value
-- plus, he can turn into a Top3 footballers one day
-- so, 100M transfer (I don't remember if his huge wages are calculated in these 100M already, but his wages were higher than Mess's, weren't they?)

2. Real paid way too much for Odegaard, but only for his WAGES
-- they didn't spend too much on a transfer fee
-- so, the only "risk" are his wages
-- since the guy currently looks like the brightest young prospect in the world, plus he looks mentally strong, intelligent and humble, it seems like it's worth a risk, isn't it?

Again, Neymar could have turned out to be a clown, and we would lose at least 50 Millions from his 100M transfer.
If Odegaard turns out to be a flop, they can still resell him for at least 5-10 Millions one day to some English club.
So, basically, they will only lose on his wages.

So:
1. on one hand, he could turn out to be a new Messi or Cristiano
-- and you only have to pay his wages to find out the asnwer
2. if he flops, you will only lose the money for his wages

I don't know, if we weren't Barca/Real fans, this deal looks like a reasonable risk.

i agree the odegaard deal is a fantastic deal. but the neymar deal was also good, even if he flopped imo. someone would still have gambled on him if he flopped for us. we are also fianancially strong enough to lose 50m on a player. the potential greatness was too good to ignore, and we had to spend that much to keep him away from madrid.

As I said, you don't need to earn 1 million per day to get sidetracked if for some reasons you end up being sidetracked.

You also can be sidetracked by many things beside money. Look at how Lavezzi ended up spending his night in clubs drinking alcohol and such.

If this kid is smart, he won't get sidetracked easily. If he is mentally weak, he will get sidetracked whether because of money, alcohol, women, or anything.

My point was that getting sidetracked can be something that happens because of many reason, not just money. And from a psychology point of view, money in lots of case is only an excuse to hide mental weakness the person already had, money or not.

yeah i would agree with that.

 

[Heisenberg is cooking]

There are other factors than money of course. Neymar said no to real Even though they offered more. He liked Barca better and thought our kind of football suited him well.

Same with ødegaard, he is going to earn a whole lot of cash anyway, so he should prioritize values and the total package. Whats best for him.

Think of it bertus. You are talented you say. Lets say your talent is to collect bottles in pubs or something - you do it fast. Then you Will most likely prioritize the money - Its not going to be much anyway. I dont know if you collect bottles, but people who earns a lot anyway often look for other things.